CHEATING ! THE PASTE !

[enda pegger]

THE PASTE:OILS,FLAVOURS,SPRAYS etc. Its a topic that comes up a lot on the beach between anglers that in the comp circut there are anglers useing the paste to enhance the smell of there baits to win.I have no dout that there are some fellas out there useing it to win on regular basis to feed an ego made of gilt and paste.My view on this manner of cheating an all types is anyone useing the paste to win are jokes an a disgrace to country an club .I ve said my bit an hope you say yours REPORT AN NAME AN SHAME CHEATERS

[jd]

NAME AN SHAME CHEATERS

But not on this web site.

[doggie3131]

is it not allowed in the rules? i will be fishing my first comp ever on the 24th and as i often make mackerel and sandeel sausages and soak them in fish oils,would this be illegal in a comp?

[dfella25]

Noel as far as I know (and I'm I'm no expert) you can't use additives like an oil to your bait.

[saltydog]

is it not allowed in the rules? i will be fishing my first comp ever on the 24th and as i often make mackerel and sandeel sausages and soak them in fish oils,would this be illegal in a comp?

Howdy Noel that's only an outing on the 24th not a comp.... i'll go through the rules with you and for the record Conor is right no additives are allowed

[enda pegger]

YOUR BANGERS WOULD BE OUT ALRIGHT BUD FOR COMPS ANYWAY. REGARDING ABOVE MESSAGE NO NAMES ON SITE IS RIGHT BUT AT CLUB COMPS AN NATONAL ONES IF YOU SEE AN CAN PROVE IT DONT LEAVE IT OFF

[Dave Jolly]

With all due respect, this is a bit paranoid, and over the top.
If the use of artifical additives/scents etc are banned in a competitions rules than yes anyone who uses them should have their score disqualified.
As is in the case in the IFSA, and most clubs in Ireland, If there is no rule against their use then it is up to each angler to use anything he wants if he thinks it will make a difference.
I would often crush dead peelers and soak mackerel baits in the juice, or tenderise squid strips, and soak them in the blood and oils squeezed out of a mackerel head and guts, in both cases I am actually using "additives" to the natural bait, is this wrong ??
Most of the additives out there don't actually work in our waters as the water temp is too low to allow proper dispertion of the scents, but the constant experimenting, espically amongst match anglers, has led to huge advances in tackle and techniques we can all benefit from
In my opinion bans in general stifle innovation and experimentation, and are called for, in the majority, by people who are to lazy, or to stuck in their ways to try something different.
dave

[john redmond]

I agree with Dave,allow experimintation and innovation to flourish.I use mack strip soaked in shrimp juice at anchor,deadly for all species.

[enda pegger]

PARANOID MAYBE I AM DAVE BUT I DON T THINK YOU D BE TOO JOLLY IF YA LOST OUT OVER SOMEONE ELSE CHEATING. [color=#FF4040]DO WHAT YA LIKE OUTSIDE COMPS ALL THE EXPERIMENTING LIFE AN FISHING BRING /color]

[twinkle]

does this include boat comps as well? what about dubby?

[doggie3131]

Noel as far as I know (and I'm I'm no expert) you can't use additives like an oil to your bait.

is it not allowed in the rules? i will be fishing my first comp ever on the 24th and as i often make mackerel and sandeel sausages and soak them in fish oils,would this be illegal in a comp?

Howdy Noel that's only an outing on the 24th not a comp.... i'll go through the rules with you and for the record Conor is right no additives are allowed

cheers lads,guess when i join i'll get a rule book.

[jimmymellis]

i agree with dave experementation is the way forward i must admit when pleasure fishing i use pilchard oil i go down at low tide dig a hole and dump a litre of it in the hole then i cover it back up as the tide comes up and beats over the hole the oil seeps out its deadly for flatties

[JOHN1]

does this include boat comps as well? what about dubby?

This is the ruling from EFSA on rubby dubby, cant find anything from IFSA on it's use.



Ground bait and the use of rubby-dubby is permitted on all occasions during a Boat or Game competition by an individual angler or team if the event is a Game event; but may not be laid previous to a competition. This groundbait or rubby-dubby can only consist of the bait given to the individual angler or team, or any fish, mollusc or crustacean they catch during the competition period. The blood of mammals is not permitted. Ground bait and the use of rubby-dubby is not permitted in any Shore competition. For Boat competitions only; rubby-dubby for the benefit of all the anglers on a boat can only be deployed with the agreement of the majority of anglers onboard, and this must consist solely of unwanted species, bait discards and remnants returned to a common box solely for the purpose of baiting a rubby-dubby device for the benefit of all anglers on the boat.

[JOHN1]

i agree with dave experementation is the way forward i must admit when pleasure fishing i use pilchard oil i go down at low tide dig a hole and dump a litre of it in the hole then i cover it back up as the tide comes up and beats over the hole the oil seeps out its deadly for flatties

AT WHAT STAGE OF THE TIDE DO YOU GET THE LITRE BOTTLE BACK, DO YOU DO 12 HOUR SESSIONS WITH YOUR mrs

[enda pegger]

Its grand in your own time to do that jim by all means .but doing the hole diging oil trick at a big comp like munsters or others and 7 fish turn into 8 its cheating rules are being broke.

[twinkle]

thanks john i dont fish comps myself havent done for 20yrs so a lot of the rules have changed but do like to keep up with the latest regulations

[jimmymellis]

i agree with dave experementation is the way forward i must admit when pleasure fishing i use pilchard oil i go down at low tide dig a hole and dump a litre of it in the hole then i cover it back up as the tide comes up and beats over the hole the oil seeps out its deadly for flatties

AT WHAT STAGE OF THE TIDE DO YOU GET THE LITRE BOTTLE BACK, DO YOU DO 12 HOUR SESSIONS WITH YOUR mrs

longer some times

[jimmymellis]

Its grand in your own time to do that jim by all means .but doing the hole diging oil trick at a big comp like munsters or others and 7 fish turn into 8 its cheating rules are being broke.

i wouldnt use it in a comp if your going to win you might as well do it the right way theres no pleasure in cheating plus its better winning without it if others are using it

[JOHN1]

thanks john i dont fish comps myself havent done for 20yrs so a lot of the rules have changed but do like to keep up with the latest regulations

i dont take part myself either i just get on with my pleasure fishing, too many cheats out there you wouldnt stand a chance with them

[twinkle]

i guess nothing has changed in 20 yrs lol remember one guy stuffing a 3 once weight down a pollock in a club comp when he was sussed said it was only a joke when i called for him to be disqualified it came to blows he wasent laughing long