Multiplyer "birdsnests"

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Mr_Green · #1 Post by **Mr_Green** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:59 pm

i dunno if any1 has theorised about this and y it happens but as i was stripping down the line from my 525 tonight i noticed it was bunching up as i pulled on free spool( as u would expect, mayb?) but as i got down 2 the last lot of yards it wasnt bunching up at all when i pulled...i pulled harder and it still didnt bunch up...so my theory is mayb that the birdnest happens because of the way we load are line onto the multipliers...i dunno if that makes sense..r whether some1 else has theories... but i reloaded the 525 slowly and tried 2 keep as much order in the line laying as humanly possible...only time will tell eh?

#2 Post by **fishinmidget** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:06 pm

u r probably right, i have always tried to keep the line lay as even as possible and it certanly helps.

#3 Post by **Jonny** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:24 pm

Don't quote me on it but I think its down to the spool spinning faster than the line can leave the reel which in turn loosens the outer coils forming the start of your nest.When you down to the last few layers of line the spool will not throw off anywhere near as much line when turning at the same speed as it was at the start.

I dont think I even know what I'm trying to say. :roll: :oops: :?

#4 Post by **petekd** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:49 pm

In fairness Jonny, whilst line lay undoubtedly helps, you are absolutely right. If you think of a full spool, which may have a circumference of say for arguments sake 12cm compared with an almost empty one with a circumference of say 3 cm. For every revolution of the spool at the beginning it will throw off 12 cm of line, if the lead isnt travelling fast enough to take the line away at the same rate then a birdsnest results, as the line has absolutely nowhere else to go. At the other end of the scale, if you tried a (short!) cast with an almost empty spool, instead of a birdie what you would feel would be the lead dragging at the rod as it cant get away fast enough as not enough line is being thrown off the reel.

Its an easy fix to make a Multi more controllable..... load less line on it. 1/2cm from the lip of the spool on a 525 turns it from being a pig to as docile as can be.

#5 Post by **Jonny** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:30 pm

Cheers Pete,Thanks for putting that into english for me. :lol:

#6 Post by **contender** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:36 am

What you say Pete certainly sounds right to me..

#7 Post by **lumpy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:45 am

you must also have the correct diameter line for that reel. the decrease in the sice ot the circumference and cross sectional diameter of the spool will very in relation to the diameter of the line.hence the reasoning in buying line for a reel in relation to diameter rather than out and out strength.

#8 Post by **petekd** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:09 am

V true Lumpy, too low a diameter line on a big spooled reel can be a recipe for trouble. In plain english......as the line is flowing off the reel through the cast, the lead carrying it away is slowing down, too low a diameter of line and the level of line which directly relates to the amount of line released with each revolution of the spool, is not reducing fast enough to prevent birdsnests occurring. Various braking mechanisms and In Extremis....thumbs all prevent this.

Incidentally, knowing all about how they occur does not for one second prevent me from sufffering from the odd one or two..... :oops:

#9 Post by **Pat Spillane** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:09 am

Well explained but just to throw something else in, regardless of line diameter if you adjust the spool tension correctly you can control any reel.
You may not be able to cast as far but you will be able to control it. No I am not argueing against correct line diameter, laying or or spool filling just making the point that if the spool is set too free not only will it damage the reel but it may also make it uncontrolable.

#10 Post by **Lee337** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:30 am

Just a note of caution regarding spool tension

Spool tension should only be used as a last resort, if spool tension is used it puts sideways pressure on the bearing which they are not designed to take, you WILL eventually destroy the bearings.

Reels should be tuned with different viscosities of oil to control the speed of the spool to suit the caster.

The spool should have a tiny amount of side to side free movement.

Lee

#11 Post by **Donagh** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:18 am

As said spool tention on a abu or penn reel should barely move and just noticeable under hand pressure. Daiwa reels usually should have a feeling of a slight knock when moving side to side. The instruction manuals usually describe a method of setting the spool tention but this should be ignored as it relates to lure fishing.

The Oil viscousity should be chosen over mag breaks as adds to deceleration faster than mags can be backed off.

Donagh

#12 Post by **Pat Spillane** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:15 pm

Exactly why I said adjusted correctly.

#13 Post by **dbrock** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:29 am

all i can put to this is def when i put the line back on dodgey there is always more of a chance getting a birdie on my next cast

Mr_Green · #14 Post by **Mr_Green** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:27 pm

i noticed that myself man...so altho we all love a good debate and theorise everything in the world...best 2 keep it simple..for i dont have control over a fast running spool all the time but i can keep an eye on line lay..and if it helps it helps lol