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#1 Post by **croppyboy** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:16 pm

Hi Lads
Any one hear of a record triggerfish been caught in the last few weeks the old man hear in a pub in wexford that one was caught in dublin last week dont know if its true or not

#2 Post by **kieran** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:27 pm

Yep

Bob Moss in Kerry has a potential record Triggerfish to his name now, awaiting verification with the ISFC...

He caught it in Kerry, not in a pub in Dublin! :D

#3 Post by **croppyboy** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:02 pm

Livid · #4 Post by **Livid** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:56 pm

Still, in my humble opinion, wrong to kill such a fish, just to get your name in the record books, personally i'd settle for a photograph and weighing on the shore / boat. It'll be a shame if this fish isn't a record, then it'll have died effectively, for nothing, eh? IMO anyway. :wink: :cry:

#5 Post by **markj** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:02 pm

I totally agree, unless the fish is well old and maybe its gona be stuffed!!
Then I think its ok, Id rather go for the photo, scales, measurement method.

#6 Post by **Bradan** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:07 pm

Livid wrote:Still, in my humble opinion, wrong to kill such a fish, just to get your name in the record books, personally i'd settle for a photograph and weighing on the shore / boat. It'll be a shame if this fish isn't a record, then it'll have died effectively, for nothing, eh? IMO anyway. :wink: :cry:

Wait til you hear if it was actually killed... its possible it was weighed and released. These days a lot of freshwater specimen hunters carry certified scales for that purpose, maybe its time the saltwater specimen men started doing the same........ :)

Livid · #7 Post by **Livid** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:10 pm

Bradan wrote:
Livid wrote:Still, in my humble opinion, wrong to kill such a fish, just to get your name in the record books, personally i'd settle for a photograph and weighing on the shore / boat. It'll be a shame if this fish isn't a record, then it'll have died effectively, for nothing, eh? IMO anyway. :wink: :cry:

Wait til you hear if it was actually killed... its possible it was weighed and released. These days a lot of freshwater specimen hunters carry certified scales for that purpose, maybe its time the saltwater specimen men started doing the same........ :)

My bad, i thought all fish had to be killed and sent off somewhere for verification.

#8 Post by jd » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:16 pm

http://www.irish-trophy-fish.com/claim_ ... ctions.htm

Before proceeding read the rules.

Use this official ISFC claim form and complete all relevant sections. As the form needs to be signed we can not accept applications online.

Write in BLOCK CAPITALS throughout. Please write clearly in Section 2 (your name, address (including country) and telephone number).

Fish must be weighed on land with a certified scales or alternatively on a shop scales. If in doubt use a shop scales. Fish must not be weighed on board a boat.

Scales must be certified annually by a competent independant authority and the certificate of accuracy must be current at the time of weighing. This certificate must accompany each application.

Fish scales, actual bodies or photographs of some species are required (See Section 4 of the Rules for more details).

You must sign and date Section 6 of the Claim Form. Ensure witnesses also sign the Claim Form.
Download the claim form as a .pdf

http://www.irish-trophy-fish.com/rules/ ... cation.htm

4. Identification
The identification of a fish must be fully documented where there is a possibility of its confusion with any other (and particularly larger) species. For this reason, the Committee in respect of some species insists on scales from the fish; close up photographs or the actual body as actual proof of identification before it will consider claims.

RECORD FISH: A CLAIM FOR A NEW RECORD MUST INCLUDE A CLEAR SHARP PHOTOGRAPH, WITH AN INDICATION OF SCALE (FISH SIZE), SHOWING THE IMPORTANT SPECIES IDENTIFICATION FEATURES.

Scales must be submitted in respect of claims for:

Salmon
Sea trout
Brown trout (including Slob trout)
Any brown trout taken in tidal waters, i.e., in the sea or in an estuary below the freshwater boundary as defined for that river will be regarded for claim purposes as a slob trout.

About 50 scales scraped from each shoulder of the fish should be sent with the claim.

The actual body must be forwarded for identification in the case of the following species:

Dace
Rudd
Rudd/Bream hybrid
Roach
Roach/Bream hybrid
Mackerel
Scad
Herring
Shad
Flounder
Dab
Brill
Megrim
Gurnards
Grey mullet
Angler fish
Lesser spotted dogfish
Three bearded rockling
Smooth hound
Rays bream
Cuckcoo wrasse
Torsk
"River" eels taken in tidal waters
Garfish (head and gills only).
Claims may be ratified where a photograph is of sufficient quality to provide conclusive evidence (i.e. key identification features clearly visible) to identify a fish, to the satisfaction of the Committee. However, the onus to provide suitable evidence rests solely with the angler.

Clear, Sharp, Close-up Photographs, showing the entire fish with its fins and other features easily seen, and not fore-shortened or obscured by shadows or bystanders must be provided in the case of:

Tope
Sharks
Skates
Rays
Monkfish
Pollack
Coalfish
Ballan wrasse
Trigger fish
Albacore tuna
Bluemouth
TUB GURNARD (pectoral fins of gurnard must be fully expanded)
GILTHEAD BREAM. (whole body and head shot showing mouth and eyes).
If necessary, the fish should be hung up.

In the case of skates and rays, photographs of both back and belly surfaces should be provided and particulars of the coloration given (with particular reference to the presence of dark or grey spots, or streaks or patches on the belly side).

Samples of the teeth should be furnished in the case of:

Porbeagle
Mako
In addition, there should be a clear close-up photograph showing the jaws and teeth exposed.

#9 Post by **kieran** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:16 pm

Hi

Orindarily I would agree and I have returned a few specimens but not a record fish ... yet! :lol:

Bear in mind that most triggerfish caught in Irish waters will succumb to the drop in water temperatures in the late autumn winter, unless there is evidence that they are capable of migrating south against the gulf stream?

I know plenty have been found washed up on beaches...

Livid · #10 Post by **Livid** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:23 pm

Cheers for the clarification jd.

#11 Post by **stevecrow74** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:24 am

The actual body must be forwarded for identification in the case of the following species:

i presume some way other than by post... :shock: :shock:

#12 Post by **IDPearl** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:45 am

stevecrow74 wrote:
The actual body must be forwarded for identification in the case of the following species:

i presume some way other than by post... :shock: :shock:

Might trigger a bomb scare if it smelt a bit fishy!

#13 Post by **Ronald** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:10 am

You can take a chance with photos ,so long as they show the key identifying features ,if they do not except them tuff ,take better photos next time .
It doesn't cost much to get your scales certifyed and you can pick up electro samsons on e-bay for about £40 which are scary accurate from 1kg - 25kg ,mine were reading right on the money at the last test .
As Bradan said wait and see if the fish was knocked on the head before you start critising anyone .

teacher · #14 Post by **teacher** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:04 am

jd wrote:
4. Identification
The identification of a fish must be fully documented where there is a possibility of its confusion with any other (and particularly larger) species. For this reason, the Committee in respect of some species insists on

...
...

What is the situation with Bass?

teacher · #15 Post by **teacher** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:05 am

stevecrow74 wrote:
The actual body must be forwarded for identification in the case of the following species:

i presume some way other than by post... :shock: :shock:

6. Sending fish to the Committee
Please

1. Notify the Committee when a fish is being sent in for identification. Make specific arrangements (by telephone)
with the Committee if bringing live fish for identification.
Telephone: 01 8842600; Fax: 01 8360060; Email: info@cfb.ie
2. Do not forward fish before Bank Holidays or weekends; (keep in a cold store if fish cannot be delivered quickly on or before Friday afternoon).
3. Please attach a label to each fish forwarded for identification giving the captor's name and address, date and place of capture and the weight of the fish.
4. Fish should not be sent in polythene bags or wrapped in aluminium foil as this causes very rapid decomposition. They should be wrapped in greaseproof paper and then in newspaper and brown paper.

:D

#16 Post by **JimC** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:23 am

Your local Legal Metrology Office will certify your scales for free. Numbers and addresses are on the IFSC site:
http://www.irish-trophy-fish.com/notice ... asures.htm

You do not even require a photo for a Bass. That said I wouldn't be happy sending in a claim without decent photos, especially the "fish & fagbox" photo that allows for measuring if required.

#17 Post by **BigPhil** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:56 pm

cheers for the link, i think you have to pay to get them done up here, so i will call into ne of the centres on my next trip down!

#18 Post by **BigPhil** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:58 pm

ps, id say that if many triggers hang around much longer they will die, seen a couple washed up dead in late november/early december last year

#19 Post by **MAC** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:37 am

Also guys, triggers make excellent eating so if someone want's to take one then it's their choice. As Kieran mentioned, there is evidence that they will all die as soon as the water temp starts dropping.

Kev

#20 Post by **bigcol** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:29 pm

I would like to think that most people on this forum are into catch and release but why is it that everytime that a report about a good fish being caught or a great fishing session is reported(god forbid it is supported with photos)somebody starts off with the"was it released" or "shame to kill it" line of questioning? :roll:
Bob Moss is unquestionably conservation minded but yet the questions about catch and release appear again.
While I welcome debate about catch and release surely there is a place away from the reports that this can be discussed in.
I just don't bother posting reports anymore because of this as I shouldn't have to justify myself to people who don't know me or my fishing methods.

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