There's no shame in tiddler bashing, is there?

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Livid · #1 Post by **Livid** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:33 am

Oh c'mon! When the going gets tough, the inept at fishing scale down and dangle! :shock:

Seriously, it's still catching isn't it? :P :oops:

#2 Post by **Drew** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:35 am

Yes. it is, But let the ridicule reign down supreme! :lol:

Livid · #3 Post by **Livid** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:39 am

Drew wrote:Yes. it is, But let the ridicule reign down supreme! :lol:

:twisted:

#4 Post by **Lee337** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:07 am

Saying nothing :roll:

:lol: :lol:

Lee

#5 Post by **Drew** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:40 am

Lee337 wrote:Saying nothing :roll:

:lol: :lol:

Lee

Its best that way. :shock:

Livid · #6 Post by **Livid** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:17 am

Drew wrote:
Lee337 wrote:Saying nothing :roll:

:lol: :lol:

Lee

Its best that way. :shock:

:roll: I'd rather catch something than nothing. Hmm and didn't you use this very same method to end your blanking one night on Donaghadee pier? Yes!

:roll:

Rockhopper · #7 Post by **Rockhopper** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:32 am

As the showgirl said to the Vicar, size doesn't matter, its the fun that counts :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tom.

#8 Post by **Drew** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:40 pm

Livid wrote:
Drew wrote:
Lee337 wrote:Saying nothing :roll:

:lol: :lol:

Lee

Its best that way. :shock:

:roll: I'd rather catch something than nothing. Hmm and didn't you use this very same method to end your blanking one night on Donaghadee pier? Yes!

:roll:

Calm yer knickers ya big hoor, I was talking about Lee saying nothing as he'd usually come in with a confidence shattering comment at this point. :lol:

Livid · #9 Post by **Livid** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:45 pm

I shall see you in an hour or two for a dangle, no shame either! I bet i blank again :? :shock:

#10 Post by **ian 123** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:37 pm

hey i dont wanna sound stupid but what is tiddler bashing??

#11 Post by **BigPhil** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:18 am

no harm targetting small fish if the bigger ones arent taking livid, as long as they are returned alive. just ask any match man!!

#12 Post by **Eoghan** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:39 pm

Lads, is it not best to leave juvenile fish alone. We may think they go back alive but can you be certain that the trauma caused to them will not cause them harm.

I would rather blank than catch juvenile fish to be honest...!

Its just like when I hear of fly fishing guys targeting juvenile bass as they are "Great sport". Out of order if you ask me.

Rockhopper · #13 Post by **Rockhopper** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:58 pm

Eoghan, how can that be done, hook and line is about catching fish, it harms fish, we all know that and we still call ourselves sportsmen, if an undersized fish goes back dead, its still in the place that God and the law intended it to be...back in the food chain of the ocean. If you know a way of making sure only BIG fish bite our hooks I am sure every member of SAI will vote you angler of the year, nay! century :)

Why knock a guy who is having his sport inside of the law, knock the ones who make the law by all means.

For what its worth, I think any angler who worries that much about killing or hurting a fish should look elsewhere for a hobby, our sport is not like bullfighting or trying to kill for the sake of the kill, most anglers will try where possible to cause a fish least harm before its return.

IMHO your in the wrong forum, you sound more like a that organisation beginning with P supporter than an angler....not trying to cause an argument with you, just don't understand where your coming from with your post.

Tom.

#14 Post by **Drew** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:16 pm

Eoghan wrote:Lads, is it not best to leave juvenile fish alone. We may think they go back alive but can you be certain that the trauma caused to them will not cause them harm.

I would rather blank than catch juvenile fish to be honest...!

Its just like when I hear of fly fishing guys targeting juvenile bass as they are "Great sport". Out of order if you ask me.

You Fish for whats there mate, There's no point me using Size 3/0s and hoping for something decent cos in Honesty, THEY JUST ARN'T THERE, try fishing in Donaghadee and surrounding Areas mate, then you'd understand the situation.

Livid · #15 Post by **Livid** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:04 pm

Obviously i try my best to return all fish alive and unharmed, only fish i would ever keep would be some mackeral for bait or a good sized Cod for to eat. The vast majority of the fish around here are very small anyway unless you want to deliberately target big Ballan Wrasse or Congers for example, i was simply getting fed up blanking and at least this way i can kinda increase my catching rate and maybe pick up a few more for the species list. I've hardly retired from Beach casting, i'm just not very good at it.

#16 Post by **col** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:20 pm

I think thats a bit too harsh on Eoghan, everone who enjoys fishing should be welcome here 8) , personaly I'd far perfer his approach to the one at the opposite end of the scale many choose to take in some competitions, kill everything sizeable caught, edible or not. :( IMHO that way is many many times worse, at least Eoghan shows some respect. 8)

Often get small fish, try my best to cause minimum harm (unhook in water, wet hands etc) to all fish, but unfortunately, in the nature of angling, thats not possable with both big and small fish 100% of the time. like drew said, you fish for whats available, would like it to be big but in Wicklow it rarely is. It adds a new welcomed dimention in varios species.
Anywho, either way enjoy your fishing

col

#17 Post by **Eoghan** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:12 pm

I guess some of us dont need to fish for tiddlers..!! :lol:

Dont worry lads, I enjoy the banter as much as you do and its just an opinion. Wont be going off in a sulk just yet.
I just personally leave the smaller/juvenile fish be and target larger Bass. Ok I probably catch less than most people as most of my hooks are 3/0 and upwards but I just dont get any kick in catching tiddlers.

Livid · #18 Post by **Livid** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:18 pm

Eoghan wrote:I guess some of us dont need to fish for tiddlers..!! :lol:

Dont worry lads, I enjoy the banter as much as you do and its just an opinion. Wont be going off in a sulk just yet.
I just personally leave the smaller/juvenile fish be and target larger Bass. Ok I probably catch less than most people as most of my hooks are 3/0 and upwards but I just dont get any kick in catching tiddlers.

The main point is that there is little else to catch around here and there is certainly no kick in catching nothing. For the more skilled there may be some but for the like of myself, this keeps me going.

#19 Post by **col** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:35 pm

All to their own, your right in theres no fun in blanking Livid and eoghan, your'e v. lucky to have access to such fish, most would like to concentrate on these I'm sure if option was there. 8)
Good to hear no love lost :D

I myself have just bought a light kit 8) for travelling, I will not specifically target the wee ones but thats probably what I'll end up getting, I'll be hoping something large will come along and you never know :)
col

Rockhopper · #20 Post by **Rockhopper** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:34 am

Eoghan,

I don't think anyone on the forum likes to catch tiddlers, you point out the use of 3/0 and upwards making a difference to the size of fish you catch, I think not, many under size Cod, Coalie, Whiting and Flattie will have a mouth big enough to take a 3/0 with a sizable bait....who is giving the fish a better chance to live...the angler who uses size 0/1 or 0/2 or you with you 3/0...surly you causing more trauma taking a bigger hook out.

What I'm saying here is, the use of a 3/0 hook will not prevent a juvenile fish from taking your hook, I've heard no mention from you on pressing down barbs, I do quite often, it speeds up the time it takes to unhook and does far less damage to the fish.

Are you also saying that you NEVER hook under size fish, Bass or otherwise, I would like to hear your reply. To be honest and I say again I'm not trying to start and argument with you, but what your really saying is that you are a sportsman and others are not....I stand by every single word of my last post.

Col
Talk of using lighter line or lighter tackle in general, will that prevent the smaller fish taking your hook...I think not, will it make anyone more of a sportsman.....I think not either. Do you think ultra light gear will cause less trauma to juvenile fish, are you saying its ok to fish for smaller fish on ultra light gear?

The kind of words were reading here only gives strength to the groups who knock what we do as anglers. IMHO gone are the days when matches are weight only and fish die for an angler to prove his skills, also gone are the days when anglers could go out and know they would catch more sizable fish than under size, whats a lad to do....in your opinion buy bigger hooks..... :lol: :lol:

Tom.