Xlayer Originals

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#1 Post by **timod** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:41 pm

Does anybody have any idea where to source the original Xlayers?(The originals have the rattle in the tail and are softer material) A mate asked me to try and source them online and after much searching to say they are rare is an understatement! Found a good write up on the old vs new here http://grahamhillirishfishing.blogspot.ie/
Thanks in advance

corkbass · #2 Post by **corkbass** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:54 pm

Try halfway angling centre in cork. Dan might be able to sort you out. He has almost everything !

#3 Post by **JOHN1** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:30 pm

southside or Henrys worth a look

#4 Post by **bigsod** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:37 pm

Southside had some last time I was in there, but hart do a copy called "gummy worm" with a rattle in the tail, very good lure at a fraction of the cost.

#5 Post by **timod** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:38 am

Southside and Henrys both stock the newer version of the lure (Megabass Vios Super X Layer Ayu) but if you look closely at the lure the rattle is further up the body of the lure and the new material is tougher and apparently less life like than previous batches of the lure. Wouldn't be that picky now myself but the fella I'm posting on behalf of is mad to get his hands on some of the originals.

#6 Post by **JimC** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:47 am

I'd say the guy you are posting for must have OCD or something if he thinks these little differences will make the difference ( if they are so) in fish catching terms.

On the Hart - the Absolut Worm is actually softer than the xlayer. The rattle can be pressed up its arse quite far

#7 Post by **bigsod** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:30 am

JimC wrote:I'd say the guy you are posting for must have OCD or something if he thinks these little differences will make the difference ( if they are so) in fish catching terms.
On the Hart - the Absolut Worm is actually softer than the xlayer. The rattle can be pressed up its arse quite far

That's the lads I was on about not gummy worm, the absolut worm, thanks Jim

#8 Post by **timod** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:51 am

JimC wrote:I'd say the guy you are posting for must have OCD or something if he thinks these little differences will make the difference ( if they are so) in fish catching terms.
On the Hart - the Absolut Worm is actually softer than the xlayer. The rattle can be pressed up its arse quite far

There's no doubt about it, when it comes to bass lures he has more than a touch of OCD

I don't think it has stopped him buying the new ones but wants to get some of the old stock as it was one of his favourite lures. If you scroll down to the bottom of that blog link I posted above you can see how someone who's very particular about there lures might find fault. ''Glass Rattle totally in the wrong position over the horse shoe indent this affects the total tail action of the slayer''
Will definitely be picking up a few of those Hart Absolut Worms, you had me at ''a fraction of the price'' Shane

#9 Post by **JOHN1** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:26 pm

he is readind too much of graham hill's blog by the sounds of it, not too long ago when graham hill was saying he would not be bothered with the sp's and the only bass lures he would use were plugs and weighted storm shads how attitudes change :roll:now he is saying X slayers have to be origionals

#10 Post by **timod** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:56 pm

JOHN1 wrote:he is readind too much of graham hill's blog by the sounds of it, not too long ago when graham hill was saying he would not be bothered with the sp's and the only Bass lures he would use were plugs and weighted storm shads how attitudes change :roll:now he is saying Xlayers have to be origionals

Nah I just came across that blog when I was trolling the net for info last night but Id say your right about taking advice from someone who wouldn't bother with sp's for bass

#11 Post by **JimH** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:47 am

Tim if your friend believes that the purple start buttons on crashed alien spaceships can catch him bass then do your best to find them guy. Sometimes (actually) a lot of the time some people need to be right in their 'minds' in order to catch fish I guess it's a confidence thing.

A street gang of myopic hungry bass charging up or down an estuary don't stop and calibrate the positioning or sonic frequency of glass beads relative to horshoe bends before deciding to eat!

You can see a lot of good stuff on here about soft plastics from a guy called rapala joe

JOHN1 is accurate in his observations

#12 Post by **JOHN1** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:14 am

jim you are dead right about rapalajoe he was an encyclopedia of information when it came to lure fishing, i personaly blame him for all of this soft plastic craze that is sweeping this little place of ours

#13 Post by **JimH** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:46 am

JOHN 1 Lots of people have utilsed that 'early' knowledge especially when Joe moved to other forums. I guess that's what forums are for!

Joe had genuine experience and certainly opened that box!

What bothers me sometimes is the opinion expressed by some that they were or are pioneers in the subject and leverage that 'unlearned' information to create impressions of long term expertise and experience.

There are several classic cases of this in existence today!

Forums never forget!

#14 Post by **Steve** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:56 pm

In fairness, how can anyone consider themselves a REAL bass fisherman unless they use a van staal......

#15 Post by **Tanglerat** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:23 pm

Steve wrote:In fairness, how can anyone consider themselves a REAL Bass fisherman unless they use a van staal......

Oh? Then I must rush out and buy one.

#16 Post by **JOHN1** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:16 am

JimH wrote:JOHN 1 Lots of people have utilsed that 'early' knowledge especially when Joe moved to other forums. I guess that's what forums are for!

Joe had genuine experience and certainly opened that box!

What bothers me sometimes is the opinion expressed by some that they were or are pioneers in the subject and leverage that 'unlearned' information to create impressions of long term expertise and experience.

There are several classic cases of this in existence today!

Forums never forget!

would you beleive me jim if i told you i only met another one of these experts about 2 hours ago

and he was able to tell me every thing about the years of soft lure fishing experiance he had,i heard enough after about 15 minutes.if there is not an athleat in a tracksuit on every corner in dublin there is sure to be a sp/lure expert instead

#17 Post by **Steve** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:12 pm

Interesting rant on Henry Gilbeys blog today...somewhat related....

http://www.henry-gilbey.com/blog

#18 Post by **JimC** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:42 pm

Henry was getting some mild flack on a UK based forum.
The gist was that his blog was more about advertising etc.. never see a bad review etc..etc...

That was his reply in his blog - As he says, he is locked out of the same forum.

It is hard to keep everybody happy!

#19 Post by **Steve** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:03 pm

I'd say he cops a lot of flak Jim. Shame, he has an excellent blog, clearly loves to fish and doesn't ever set himself out to be an 'expert'. Too easy to criticise hiding behind a computer screen these days.

#20 Post by **Kgarr** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:35 pm

Very funny blog that !!! Lol! I think I detected sarcasm..... Not sure though

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