Lugworm

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#1 Post by **fogelberg** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:34 pm

Hi guys,

I need your help about lugworms. I have found a beach that show marks of plenty of lugworm, the problem is that we dont have a tide as you guys do so the lugworms are allways under water here.

I have seen Rex Hunt on the TV using a baitpump to get ragworms and yabbies. But i have never seen any baitpumps in europe.

So how do you get to them?

#2 Post by **BigPhil** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:21 pm

they are widely available through mail order companies in england, the main manufacturer i think is alvey????maybe wrong though.

#3 Post by **fogelberg** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:50 pm

Think I found the right source finally...
Shakespeare have them in their catalogs and I have asked around in some local shops to give them a fair shot in getting bringing it home, if they can't I'll order it either from veals or a dutch company.

Liamo · #4 Post by **Liamo** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:39 pm

Bait pumps are only really effective for black lugworms/yellowtails. This is because they live in an almost vertical burrow which is why the bait pump works and for these worms a little water is actually a bonus as it increases the suction!

Common lug however are a different story. These are the guys that are in most beaches and live in a U shaped burrow. The blowhole will be a few inches away from the cast (as opposed to blacks where both are side by side, right in the cast or sometimes the blowhole isn't visible at all). Because of the U shaped burrow it will be difficult if not impossible to pump these effectively.

Better to check out which type of worm is living there before shelling out on an expensive bait pump!

Liam

#5 Post by **BigPhil** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:07 pm

whilst in glasgow angling centre last week i noticed that they have a few different ones in stock if you are interested fogelberg.

#6 Post by **fogelberg** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:37 am

BigPhil wrote:whilst in glasgow angling centre last week i noticed that they have a few different ones in stock if you are interested fogelberg.

Do they have a online store?

#7 Post by **Wes** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:42 am

Yip!

http://www.fishingmegastore.com/

#8 Post by **fogelberg** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:15 pm

Wes wrote:Yip!

http://www.fishingmegastore.com/

Thank you

#9 Post by **fogelberg** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:18 pm

OK... Lets continue this thread instead of starting a new one in the same subject..

I was out fishing for sea trout today but it was kind a slow, now wind and the fish was nowhere to be seen. So I thought i would experiment a little..

waded out to the U-shaped burrows containing common Lug, no bait-pump or any other handy stuff to "collect" the worms and mind you this is my first time trying this trick.

Stood on top of the burrow (the pile of shite) ;) stomped my feet until i had sunk almost 10 inches, took a step back and waited for the sand to lay down, my first try at this wasn't a success, got one worm but it was in pieces, stomped to death by 115 kilo dumb-ass...

Second try was better, got 1 whole worm and picked it up with my net.

Decided to see how many I could get in 5 minutes, so i set my alarm on the phone and start to stomp.. when the time is up i had collected 5 lug-worms. Acctually I got one sandeel aswell, I think it was coming for the bits and pieces after my stomping.

My conclusion of this is that a bait-pump is just one of those things you by, but in reality don't need it.

[img]http://fiskeforum.se/bilder/lugworm.jpg[/img]

#10 Post by **marno** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:00 pm

fogelberg wrote:OK... Lets continue this thread instead of starting a new one in the same subject..

I was out fishing for sea trout today but it was kind a slow, now wind and the fish was nowhere to be seen. So I thought i would experiment a little..

waded out to the U-shaped burrows containing common Lug, no bait-pump or any other handy stuff to "collect" the worms and mind you this is my first time trying this trick.

Stood on top of the burrow (the pile of shite) ;) stomped my feet until i had sunk almost 10 inches, took a step back and waited for the sand to lay down, my first try at this wasn't a success, got one worm but it was in pieces, stomped to death by 115 kilo dumb-ass...

Second try was better, got 1 whole worm and picked it up with my net.

Decided to see how many I could get in 5 minutes, so i set my alarm on the phone and start to stomp.. when the time is up i had collected 5 lug-worms. Acctually I got one sandeel aswell, I think it was coming for the bits and pieces after my stomping.

My conclusion of this is that a bait-pump is just one of those things you by, but in reality don't need it.

[img]http://fiskeforum.se/bilder/lugworm.jpg[/img]

We used to do this for earth worms as kids.....mmmmm I wonder if the washing up liquid trick works too :lol:

#11 Post by **Read** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:24 am

Inspired by a scene from movie Godzilla, watch the one with Matthew Broderick and you will see, I did an experiment. Connecting a set of jump leads to battery charger terminals and the other ends to aluminium tent pegs I stuck them in the ground about a metre apart near my compost bin. Within minutes dozens of worms had surfaced. Being a bright spark 8) , and having a few heavy digs behind me I decided to test this on the beach.

With two 6V batteries, jump leads, tent pegs and multimeter in hand I proceeded to Pilmore beach and tried the experiment again. The result, nada, nowt, nothing, zero bloody worms. I really thought I was onto something there.

Having said that it's kind of sad really :oops:.

x · #12 Post by x » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:49 am

The output from a battery charger is typically a pulsed DC. The output from batteries is pure DC - that might have been the difference. In addition, the battery charger will be able to supply a lot more current than two 6 volt batteries - you didn't mention whether this was a series or parallel connection.

Try at the compost heap with the batteries and see if you get the same effect as with the battery charger. I'd be interested to know how you get on, not being a fan of digging myself.

You might also try playing rap music at high volumes. Or anything by Celine Dion. That'd be enough to drive anyone out of their homes/burrows/whatever.... :lol:

#13 Post by **Drew** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:50 am

Too Far Read... Too Far... lol :lol: :lol:

x · #14 Post by x » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:00 pm

One cannot go too far in the search for a better bait!

I've been wondering how to evict lug fromtheir burrows with the minimum of effort for some time now. My next ideas to try are squirting a highly concentrated saline solution down the burrows (hey - it works for razor) and some form of thumper.

#15 Post by **Read** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:01 pm

Sandman, I tried a single battery and the two batteries in series. Depending on the the gap between the pegs I was getting a few amps. I did think of trying an AC source but refer to K2s :oops: comment. My plan, if the experiment had worked was to put all the kit onto a little trolley and wheel it around collecting worms. This, and even K2 might agree to this, is a very civilised way to collect lug :shock: . But alas it didn't. The pulsed DC is an interesting idea but I don't see myself constructing a battery driven circuit for that purpose. Although it strikes me that the coil from a car might work.

Can you sense the madness :twisted: can you, can you?

x · #16 Post by x » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:34 pm

I figure that since all a battery charger is is a really crude full wave rectifier (no smoothing, hence the pulsed DC), it might have been the pulsing effect that worked - obviously the batteries supply a 'clean' DC voltage.

You don't have the luxury of having a mains supply on a beach, which means as you say that a circuit would be required to chop a battery voltage - maybe a bit much like work.

Must google this, see what I can find....maybe somebody has got something like this working before...

#17 Post by **fogelberg** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:36 pm

Adding to the electrical devices...

My father used to do this when i was a wee lad.. ;)

He took a ordinary household cable, split the cable and fastened the loose ends to big screwdrivers which was probed into the ground approx 10 feet apart. After this he would connect to cable to the outlet and wait for the earthworms to crawl up..

BEWARE! Before going out there to collect the worms UNPLUG the cable again..

FYI in Sweden we have 220volts in the sockets, don't know what you lads have in Ireland.

x · #18 Post by x » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:48 pm

:!: Oh, and for the younger readers out there who might see this and get the idea that electricity and water might be the answer to all their worm-collecting prayers - DON'T.

This sort of stuff is up there with all those stories your parents read you about why mister fork really shouldn't visit with mrs electrical outlet.

Stuff like experimenting with electricity, water and worms is best left to crackpot inventors and trained engineers :!:

I fall into both categories, so it's ok for me....

Rockhopper · #19 Post by **Rockhopper** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:01 pm

And Mr Fork has an Irish relative who is always there when things go wrong...his name is....O'Fork :lol: :lol: :lol:

#20 Post by **petekd** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:48 am

LOL Tom :D