planned development for Greystones Harbour???

[m.b3]

can anyone give me more info. on this?? to what extent will the beach be affected???

[Drew]

Are we talking extension of the Piers etc?

Cos if we are it could have an effect on Local Beachs, Depending on their proximity to the changes, Could possibly create new Marks to fish while decimating old ones. I'd say your main factors are how hard the Tide would be pushing round the Pier, and Generally in what direction,, Its like when you always find Sand banks in relatively close proximaty to Islands, Its due to the Tide Pushing round them, then slowing down on the other side deposition the Sand etc it has picked up....

I think....
Maybe I'm wrong.

[m.b3]

no i think that will happen alright. the pier already has a good run along it as it is. what i am worried about is the sheltered fishin on north beach being lost!

[BigPhil]

i know that since the pier at glenarm co antrim was built it has changed the beach immensly and also altered the fishing quite a bit on the beach and on the rocks along the coast road. the one good thing is that it has created a good angling mark in itself.

[Cooke]

Here's a link to the proposal -

http://www.environ.ie/DOEI/DOEIPol.nsf/ ... nt&Lang=en

The extent of the development proposed is massive. I would think the North beach will be gone.

[Anon]

Not too familiar with Greystones as I've never been there, but I was at a seminar recently and saw a presentation on the proposed development. The presentation was more about public-private partnerships and the issues raised, but it did have an overview of the proposed development. Basically they will be reclaiming a lot of land from the sea and building a marina, boardwalk, apartments, new yacht club etc, and the plans seemed to extend several hundred metres north of the current harbour, not being familiar with the beach I don't know how much of it will be gone then. Would imagine the development will also have a big impact on currents and erosion/deposition which would affect the beach, but to what extent who can say?

Anonymous (sorry cant log in, not supposed to be giving out that info!)

[x]

Don't projects like this have to have an environmental impact study done, part of which should be a hydrographic survey with modelling of how the new development might change the existing currents/landscape etc before planning permission gets granted? You'd think stuff like that would be in place at the public consultation phase....

[Anon]

At the moment I believe the project is stalled as the departments of finance and marine are arguing over foreshore and compulsory purchase orders. Not sure if the EIS has been done or not yet.

[m.b3]

i heard the pier is to be the first of it's kind? does that mean finished on time??!! apparently it will be built with anglers in mind too as the local club has had their say? i am sceptical. at the end of the day it means lot's more boats out crossin lines!

[Guest]

An EIS for a project of this scale will need to accompany the application should it be lodged to Council. Public consultation is an integral part of an EIS and it should take account of anglers and any associated impacts on erosion etc...

When the application is submitted to Council, the usual public consultation phase will start which gives anglers and the general public a chane to have their say before the planners make the decision.

So if any of ye are concerned keep an eye out for site notices and make your submission.

[col]

m.b.3,
Sorry to drag this back up but I got a flyer yesterday about a this, a group trying to save the original harbour are having a protest thingy I think tomorow. But they have a website http://www.greystonesmarina.com which has a fair bit of info on what is planned. They even have a forum so if you want any questions answered I'd say this is the place to ask.

[Guest]

Carnage lads - thats what it wil mean. Have anyone of you an idea what this will do to the habitat of the north beach - dredging, concrete spills, underwater piling, noise, forget the North beach for ten years when this kicks off.

I presume an EIS - Environmental Impact Statement has been prepared.

A builder and angler

[m.b3]

cheers Col i'll go an have a look. thanks.

[Drew]

Congrats on being the First one to 1000 posts on the Forum Mark.

[m.b3]

thanks K2. i still think the development will go ahead. there are a lot of vested interests in the project. i will miss the southern end of the beach though if it does go ahead. nice sheltered spot. can be alright for flats and codling.

[basso]

The community has turned against this project, due to its scale, lack of acceptable aesthetic and the disruption it will involve, as well as the dangers and the damage to the coast and to fish. Check these links:

http://lizmcmanus.blogspot.com/2006/02/ ... -2006.html
http://www.greystonesmarina.com (Greystones Protection and Development Association)
http://www.wicklow.ie/specialprojects/E ... ummary.pdf (summary of the Environmental Impact Statement)
http://www.wicklow.ie/specialprojects/e ... ontage.htm (this page has links to photo-montages of the proposal)
http://karlmarcks.blogspot.com/

At the public meeting on 31 January, an expert rapporteur told us, among other things, that the measures against erosion will fail, necessitating dredging of shingle regularly from the Codling Bank, with appalling consequences for fish breeding in the Irish Sea.

[corbyeire]

you do not want regular dredging! the effects will go well past the 10 years mentioned above