Proposed Conservation Area for North Coast

[trevt]

Here is the document relating to the SAC for the North Coast.

http://applications.doeni.gov.uk/public ... ocid=17573

As you can see this one may have implications for shore anglers as well as boat anglers.

The diagram below shows the proposed area (marked in red encompassing coastline).



Cheers,
Trev

[janie tyler]

Now if that area gets its SAC and in turn is changed to a NTZ that would mean no shore fishing, boat fishing or bait collection. This is very bad, this is where the irish masters comps are held in NI

[Mohawk]

Unfortunately it seems that a lot of anglers are totally unaware of the consequences of such areas and most even think they are a good thing and support them as they believe restrictions apply only to commercial fishing whereas it applies to all activities for example angling is not allowed in any shape or form in a NTZ

I'm surprised at how little interest you have received so far on this thread as this is a very real and imminent threat to sea angling in your area

[janie tyler]

[davy mccormick]

Now if that area gets its SAC and in turn is changed to a NTZ that would mean no shore fishing, boat fishing or bait collection. This is very bad, this is where the irish masters comps are held in NI

Yes the ifsa ulster gold medal is in portrush this year and as far as i know is to be fished at anchor.

[hugo]

Is there much angling tourism around that area?

[Mohawk]

Now if that area gets its SAC and in turn is changed to a NTZ that would mean no shore fishing, boat fishing or bait collection. This is very bad, this is where the irish masters comps are held in NI

Yes the ifsa ulster gold medal is in portrush this year and as far as i know is to be fished at anchor.

Anchoring is one of the big no nos in a SAC Davy as it is considered to damage the sea bed

[davy mccormick]

Now if that area gets its SAC and in turn is changed to a NTZ that would mean no shore fishing, boat fishing or bait collection. This is very bad, this is where the irish masters comps are held in NI

Yes the ifsa ulster gold medal is in portrush this year and as far as i know is to be fished at anchor.

Anchoring is one of the big no nos in a SAC Davy as it is considered to damage the sea bed

Stopping boats anchoring is only the start of a road that could lead to a NTZ.

[Mohawk]

Now if that area gets its SAC and in turn is changed to a NTZ that would mean no shore fishing, boat fishing or bait collection. This is very bad, this is where the irish masters comps are held in NI

Yes the ifsa ulster gold medal is in portrush this year and as far as i know is to be fished at anchor.

Anchoring is one of the big no nos in a SAC Davy as it is considered to damage the sea bed

Stopping boats anchoring is only the start of a road that could lead to a NTZ.

And somewhere along that road comes a fork to the inevitable sea rod license the SAC / NTZs could be used as an excuse to introduce a license they could well say they are necessary in order to finance or as a way to help to police the areas/zones

[Tomaszek]

And somewhere along that road comes a fork to the inevitable sea rod license the SAC / NTZs could be used as an excuse to introduce a license they could well say they are necessary in order to finance or as a way to help to police the areas/zones

If, and that's a big if, money are managed in a right way, to provide protection of fish habitat and conservation, I’m all for sea rod license.

[Mohawk]

And somewhere along that road comes a fork to the inevitable sea rod license the SAC / NTZs could be used as an excuse to introduce a license they could well say they are necessary in order to finance or as a way to help to police the areas/zones

If, and that's a big if, money are managed in a right way, to provide protection of fish habitat and conservation, I’m all for sea rod license.

And if and it's not such a big if they introduce NTZ's you will not be allowed to fish in any of them I think may-be your missing the point of this thread Tom

[Tomaszek]

I'm just saying James

[Mohawk]

Tommy I think a lot of anglers are totally oblivious to what NTZ's and SAC's are and what they may bring about, these are in no way a good thing from an anglers point and anglers need to be very careful what they wish for! These are a part of more complex EU regulations! The EU is not a great fan of conservation as an angler sees conservation and that is where the confusion lays remember the CFP is the EU's baby, the CFP is probably the main cause of stock decimation and is totaly unsustainable yet the EU still enforces it rigorously

[gannet]

Unfortunately it seems that a lot of anglers are totally unaware of the consequences of such areas and most even think they are a good thing and support them as they believe restrictions apply only to commercial fishing whereas it applies to all activities for example angling is not allowed in any shape or form in a NTZ

I'm surprised at how little interest you have received so far on this thread as this is a very real and imminent threat to sea angling in your area

How very true Mohawk. If only our NI "conservation driven" Sea Angling Reps would forget about commercial bashing and concentrate on fighting these iniquitous SAC's and possible NTZ's the future of our sport may be assured.

The conservationists are winning as is evident from reading these SAC proposals and those who support them are doing our sport a great disservice.

The lack of interest in this thread only highlights the total apathy shown by the great majority of NI sea anglers who are more concerned about a possible rod licence than the well-being of our sport.

I would strongly advise my fellow sea anglers in the "South" not to become complacent, SAC's are coming your way too!

[Floater]

http://www.arrancoast.com/

For anybody who wants to see how a mpa works side by side with a no take zone check out this site.

[gannet]

http://www.arrancoast.com/

For anybody who wants to see how a mpa works side by side with a no take zone check out this site.

The greens won there and had an NTZ imposed in the Clyde much to the disgust of the anglers who were conned into supporting the original proposal for an exclusion zone for scallop dredgers. I'm afraid it's become a divers charter similar to that proposed for NI MCA's.

[MC]

dont know what to think, it will be good to see such a large area protected, if it becomes a ntz then after a while the fish population will grow and move out to other areas, a nursery area even. but wont like to think that that anglers wont be able to fish the area, does anyone know what the angling bodies are saying/doing about the porpose sac area?

[RockHunter]

it will be good to see such a large area protected, if it becomes a ntz then after a while the fish population will grow and move out to other areas, a nursery area even.

I would agree with that. I have never fished in the north by the quality of fish there seems to be absymal - there has been posts on here where guys are getting excited by catching a 30 cm codling!!!!
Anglers are generally complaining about the damage done by commercial fishermen but when something is done to protect an area they then complain because they arn't allowed to fish there either - hyprocrital to say the least!!!
A total ban to allow fish stocks to recover and mature in centain areas sounds like a good idea to me.

[Mohawk]

it will be good to see such a large area protected, if it becomes a ntz then after a while the fish population will grow and move out to other areas, a nursery area even.

I would agree with that. I have never fished in the north by the quality of fish there seems to be absymal - there has been posts on here where guys are getting excited by catching a 30 cm codling!!!!
Anglers are generally complaining about the damage done by commercial fishermen but when something is done to protect an area they then complain because they arn't allowed to fish there either - hyprocrital to say the least!!!
A total ban to allow fish stocks to recover and mature in centain areas sounds like a good idea to me.

I bet you wont be saying that if they introduce a NTZ that covers most of the Cork coast which some anglers have been vocal about getting as they believe it only effects commercial fishing. I would suggest all of you go and research exactly what these proposals are exactly before you start for want of a better description "to vote like turkeys for Christmas".

Most seem unaware that a good percentage of the EU are not in favour of catch and release angling they are only in favour of catching fish for food, and given their way some would outlaw C&R angling completely.

I would also suggest you research what is required and the time that is involved to get a NTZ area reversed

It is also possible that an SAC may allow licensed commercial activity but not angling


Angling in Ireland is not organised enough to tackle these issues and from what's happening in the UK it's only a matter of time before SAC's and NTZ's are on their way here too

[Floater]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but in Germany you are not allowed to use catch and release. Its either don't fish or kill all fish caught. They claim it is to do with fish welfare.This applies in freshwater, I'm not sure about the sea end.
So you can see how a country like Germany with such a large fishing population can be led down the slippy slope by a determined few.