big fishie

[rockyb23]

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/32lb-salmon-landed-on-nore-428531.html

[Rampent Wreckfish]

Right.

I am going to start the debate roling on this one.

Fantastic fish. Catch of a lifetime. Well done to the angler.


BUT!!

A fish of this size most have some fantasic genetics.
The fish was fit enough to survive and grow to that size.
It is caught in a river that has not got a massive head of salmon.
Would it have been better for the angler to release that fish back into the river and let it reproduce rather than mount the thing on a wall so his friends can give him a clap on the back????????

[eric]

Right.

I am going to start the debate roling on this one.

Fantastic fish. Catch of a lifetime. Well done to the angler.


BUT!!

A fish of this size most have some fantasic genetics.
The fish was fit enough to survive and grow to that size.
It is caught in a river that has not got a massive head of salmon.
Would it have been better for the angler to release that fish back into the river and let it reproduce rather than mount the thing on a wall so his friends can give him a clap on the back????????

eh yeah! another angler who couldnt give a sh!t about anything other than there own personal ego

[Rampent Wreckfish]

An ego can be a wonderful thing but dont make the fish suffer for it.

[dexfab]

One word for it: Idiot

I've nothing about people killing a few fish for the pot, after all that's what we are: fishermen. But that's just plain stupid, even if it was only a 3lbs fish, I'll never understand people killing fish to get them mounted. Take a good photo, eat the fish if you want, even get someone to carve a copy in wood from the photo... I don't know that's the kind of thing that will empty our waters...

[twinkle]

beautiful fish im sure during its long life its been hooked a few times and released it would probley have ended up in a net or died not sure if i would eat a fish that age with the amount of toxins it would have built up in its body so i think i would side with the decision of the angler in this case to keep his trophy and maybe next 10/20lb fish he lands he think god its only a small one and put it back in its the people keeping trout and salmon and other sea fish under 12 inches long that sickens me some of our harbours are getting like spain telescopic rod floats and buckets of 3 inch fish

[bhoy32]

outstanding catch dont think people should complain about it the man had 1 tag for 1 fish for the whole season he can do what he wants with the fish and nobody can stop him. everyone makes there own choice about C&R no matter how much people try to force it onto you. one word for it legend

[doggie3131]

Right.

I am going to start the debate roling on this one.

Fantastic fish. Catch of a lifetime. Well done to the angler.


BUT!!

A fish of this size most have some fantasic genetics.
The fish was fit enough to survive and grow to that size.
It is caught in a river that has not got a massive head of salmon.
Would it have been better for the angler to release that fish back into the river and let it reproduce rather than mount the thing on a wall so his friends can give him a clap on the back????????

ok couple of points here.
1: big fish,good genetics,notice its a male,(kype on bottom jaw) so its a multi year fish that will have spawned numourous times.
2: they recorded in excess of 12000 fish last year on the nore.
3:he has been fishing a catch and release river for the last three years and recieved i tag to kill one fish as a reward for the improved fish stocks.

so all in all,a fisherman that has put in considerable time and effort fishing over the last three years,and releasing all the fish he caught over this time, is not allowed to kill this one fish?this c&r debate is getting a bit rediculious!!

[eric]

Right.

I am going to start the debate roling on this one.

Fantastic fish. Catch of a lifetime. Well done to the angler.


BUT!!

A fish of this size most have some fantasic genetics.
The fish was fit enough to survive and grow to that size.
It is caught in a river that has not got a massive head of salmon.
Would it have been better for the angler to release that fish back into the river and let it reproduce rather than mount the thing on a wall so his friends can give him a clap on the back????????

ok couple of points here.
1: big fish,good genetics,notice its a male,(kype on bottom jaw) so its a multi year fish that will have spawned numourous times.
2: they recorded in excess of 12000 fish last year on the nore.
3:he has been fishing a catch and release river for the last three years and recieved i tag to kill one fish as a reward for the improved fish stocks.

so all in all,a fisherman that has put in considerable time and effort fishing over the last three years,and releasing all the fish he caught over this time, is not allowed to kill this one fish?this c&r debate is getting a bit rediculious!!

to kill for the pot fine, to intentially kill for self gratifying egotistical stupidity is another. mounting a stuffed fish is in my opinion at home in the mesolithic era, but not today. as a match angler i will hold my hands up and admit a share of fish die in my own hunt for glory, so in hindsight im kinda a hippocrate, but i do the best i can to ensure they survive.

[doggie3131]

[quote="eric"

to kill for the pot fine, to intentially kill for self gratifying egotistical stupidity is another. mounting a stuffed fish is in my opinion at home in the mesolithic era, but not today. as a match angler i will hold my hands up and admit a share of fish die in my own hunt for glory, so in hindsight im kinda a hippocrate, but i do the best i can to ensure they survive.[/quote]


fair point eric,but are'nt we all egotistical?the only difference is we use a camara to boast.when i was a serious salmon angler i never carried a camara,mind you there was no such thing as digital ones back then you killed your fish,and basked in all the glory when you produced your fish,in foxford for example you brought your fish into guirys pub where all the fishermen and guillies hung out and that fish would have got you free beer for a month so mabye hes "old stock" and a technophobe as well! I still think hes entitled to that fish,and if hes happy spending 500 euros plus to stuff it,well fair play, thats his choice and surely hes entitled to his decision. I had an eight pound cod this week,and i killed it,mabye i should not have with the state of the fish stocks,but not one person mentioned c&r!there seems to be a bit of eliteism when it comes to catch and release, that seems to me, to be a bit unfair.these comments are not aimed at you specifically,so hope no offence is taken.

[Davy Murdoch]

another c&r debate

at the end of the day its his fish to do with as he please,it really is that simple
if what doggie3131 says is true then who on earth has the right to begrude the man his 1st "kill" in 3 years???
i`ll tell you who,nobody... not even someone who has never killed a fish in their lifetime,for any reason.we all go fishing and as long as we stay within the law then whats the problem

instead of complaining about 1 dead fish we should put our efforts into real problems like twinkle commented on..these people are doing our sport more damage in one session than this guy has done in 3 years

oh and just for the record i aggree with eric.i also think its a bit dated stuffing and mounting fish to hang on the wall.i`d rather have good photos to show around than a dead,dusty fish

[davyp]

deffo the fish of a life time.

the c&R thing was the first that came into my head when i seen it - but not sure what i wouldhave done if i had been in the same postion - we all get a buzz from landin a cracker -and showin it off, if were honest - otherwise there wouldnt be half as many pics on here or comps were ya can slag yer mates when ya get bigger/better/rarer/more fish than them

none of us is blameless - we all drag fish about the place with big hooks in their gob cuz -we - enjoy it, and even if fish arent killed for the pot the odd few are still gonna croak.

big fish like that is a once in a lifetime deal - if the guy wants it stuffed above his fireplace - and that gives him a buzz every time he looks at it for years to come fair play - his choice/his buzz

we all have catching(or trying to catch ) fish in common - for some that is enhanced by watchin a big fish kick, an head back to sea, for others its winnin a comp, others its eating somethin wild at the end of the day, that they caught and killed themselves, others its the buzz of baggin a new species, or hunting down that one big specimen.

we each get our buzz in different ways - and as davy m says there are much bigger threats to our fishin - see the eating mullet thread - or the buckets of mini fish landed on half the piers in the country every weekend, and even that counts for nothing compared to the squashed waste juvenille fish dragged up on every trawl, by dozens of boats daily.

at the end of the day it is a choice - and one we each make - according to OUR OWN standards - education s a great thing - if it wasnt for this site i would have known nothing about Bass - and consrvation, and the mere two i have landed would have been in my freezer rather than back in the sea, education and choice are good things in my view, judgin others and slaggin them for having different standars and making differnt choices than you cahnges nothing IMO

davy

[The Austrian]

wise and honest words Davy, plenty of food for thought in there

[gfkelly1969]

well done to Martin White on a great catch,he did every thing by the book and it was his decision whether he wanted to keep it or not,every time a big fish is caught the catch and release debate starts which i am sick of now,the same lads have no problem going out and catching 40 or 50 mackerel and using them as bait,shouldn't they be releasing all the mackerel they catch if they are so worried about catch and release

well said davyp,Davy Murdoch,doggie3131

[Wozza]

Certainly has opened a can of worms this debate.

Have to agree with sentiments of Davy, Davy & Doggie

When we dangle our baits, we all make our own choices of what happens if we catch, there is too much of the minority trying to dictate to the masses in this world.

Everyone has their own mind and should be free to use it as they wish, freedom of speech should go hand in hand with freedom to choose.

Warren

[dexfab]

As a said earlier, I've nothing about killing a few fish for the table. It's just the stuffing of fish and this seems to apply mostly to salmon. Why?

Let's go back to the start and it would be interesting what people would say or do if it was a 19lbs sea bass, or even that huge monkfish that was in the irish angler recently, would those anglers have killed them to stuff them. I don't think so, they might have killed them to eat them or put them back, which would be their own choice...

[Rampent Wreckfish]

every time a big fish is caught the catch and release debate starts which i am sick of now,

Well Mister kelly I dont see anyone forcing you to read/post on these threads so if you are sick of it just ignore the debates.

I see a good debate as healthy thing. Lots of anglers fish for lots of different reasons and have many different views on all aspects of the sport. This, I think is why angling discussions are so interesting. People are not going to agree all the time.

I dont see the point in stuffing fish for the wall. It is definitly a legacy from game/pike anglers as i have rearly seen a sea fish mounted on a wall.

[doggie3131]

As a said earlier, I've nothing about killing a few fish for the table. It's just the stuffing of fish and this seems to apply mostly to salmon. Why?

Let's go back to the start and it would be interesting what people would say or do if it was a 19lbs sea Bass, or even that huge monkfish that was in the irish angler recently, would those anglers have killed them to stuff them. I don't think so, they might have killed them to eat them or put them back, which would be their own choice...

so we kill them to eat them,he kills it to stuff it.whats the difference?the fish is dead either way!!

every time a big fish is caught the catch and release debate starts which i am sick of now,

Well Mister kelly I dont see anyone forcing you to read/post on these threads so if you are sick of it just ignore the debates.

I see a good debate as healthy thing. Lots of anglers fish for lots of different reasons and have many different views on all aspects of the sport. This, I think is why angling discussions are so interesting. People are not going to agree all the time.

I dont see the point in stuffing fish for the wall. It is definitly a legacy from game/pike anglers as i have rearly seen a sea fish mounted on a wall.

ive seem marlin,striped marlin,even a cod stuffed,and hanging in a pub in england,so sea fishermen do it to!

[Rampent Wreckfish]

As a said earlier, I've nothing about killing a few fish for the table. It's just the stuffing of fish and this seems to apply mostly to salmon. Why?

Let's go back to the start and it would be interesting what people would say or do if it was a 19lbs sea Bass, or even that huge monkfish that was in the irish angler recently, would those anglers have killed them to stuff them. I don't think so, they might have killed them to eat them or put them back, which would be their own choice...

so we kill them to eat them,he kills it to stuff it.whats the difference?the fish is dead either way!!

every time a big fish is caught the catch and release debate starts which i am sick of now,

Well Mister kelly I dont see anyone forcing you to read/post on these threads so if you are sick of it just ignore the debates.

I see a good debate as healthy thing. Lots of anglers fish for lots of different reasons and have many different views on all aspects of the sport. This, I think is why angling discussions are so interesting. People are not going to agree all the time.

I dont see the point in stuffing fish for the wall. It is definitly a legacy from game/pike anglers as i have rearly seen a sea fish mounted on a wall.

ive seem marlin,striped marlin,even a cod stuffed,and hanging in a pub in england,so sea fishermen do it to!

How much would it cost to stuff a pin whiting

[rockyb23]

I'm not a militant C&R man by any means but a happier ending for me in this particular case would have been to know that the only thing framed above a fireplace was the story of this salmon's capture and return to continue its journey.

This is especially given that it was bound to be national news and therefore chanced across by a lot of non-anglers. An opportunity missed to make a point to the general public about the attitudes, priorities and motivations of most anglers.