Article 47 will NOT impose quotas on Shore Anglers

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#1 Post by **alby** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:20 am

FYI

http://www.onlinefishing.tv/news/no-quo ... a-anglers/

#2 Post by **dbrock** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:24 am

good man alby,

#3 Post by **The Austrian** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:25 am

good news, thank god!

#4 Post by **Tanglerat** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:29 pm

It's NOT good news at all. It's extremly scary and worrying.

#5 Post by **dbrock** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:10 am

Tanglerat wrote:It's NOT good news at all. It's extremly scary and worrying.

please explain so we can understand more

#6 Post by **Tanglerat** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:16 am

Maybe it's just me being cynical, but I found that the quotes in that article by the EU spokespeople to be very much civilservice type doublespeak indeed.

Have another read of it, this time reading between the lines.

What, for instance, do you think they're saying if you want to go and catch a cod from the shore?

and extend that arguement to mackeral, it's a quota species too. As is whiting....

#7 Post by **JOHN1** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:17 am

still looking a bit dodgey for us boat anglers/owners :shock:

by the looks of it.

#8 Post by **dbrock** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:18 am

cheers will do

#9 Post by **Tanglerat** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:19 am

JOHN1 wrote:still looking a bit dodgey for us boat anglers/owners

by the looks of it.

And there's another point. Talk about divide and conquor!

#10 Post by **Tanglerat** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:42 pm

There was something else bugging me all day about that article but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Finally figured it out.....

They say that 50% of the German cod quota is caught by German RSA. Talk about cherrypicking your statistics! How much of a percentage is caught by Irish RSA compared to the Irish commercial fleet, or by UK RSA as a percentage of the UK commercial fleet, or even by Spanish RSA as a percentage of the Spanish commercial quota?

A vanishingly small part of 1%, perhaps. If that.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder what's the driving force behind this measure. Is it some backdoor way to ban angling, thought up by some anti-bloodsport PETA-type extremist?

If only we could find out who first thought up this measure and got it to this stage of developement, we could then examine their motivations. Anyone got any idea how we could do this?

#11 Post by jd » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:50 pm

This came from the commission, not the parliament, so I guess European Commissioner for Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Joe Borg might be a good starting point.

#12 Post by **Tanglerat** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:55 pm

jd wrote:This came from the commission, not the parliament, so I guess European Commissioner for Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Joe Borg might be a good starting point.

Yeah, but I doubt if he thought it up all on his own. Who whispered in his ear, or proposed it, who told that person to propose it....you see what I mean. I doubt if they'd be forthcoming with the info.

#13 Post by jd » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:14 pm

My own reading of it is this is a rather hamfisted attempt to regulate some artisanal fishing and tuna "angling", particularly around the Med, where it is having an affect on stock levels.

uvox · #14 Post by **uvox** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:52 pm

"hamfisted" it certainly is.

Incidentally, I heard from Sen. Shane Ross is taking it up with Brendan Smith - so it can be clarified.

I also wrote to John Gormley who passed the letter to .... Brendan Smith.
The letter I wrote to Dick Roche .... he passed it on to Mary Coughlan...
The letter I wrote to Chris Andrews TD ... he passed it to Brendan Smith... who has now passsed it to Eamon Ryan.

Doesn't sound like the Irish government had a clue about this this.

More details later...

#15 Post by **JOHN1** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:04 pm

words from Jo Borg i found elsewhere.

The most famous words contained in our proposal must be the words "recreational fishing". In some Member States our proposals in this regard have been misinterpreted alarming citizens that the Commission wants to start controlling millions of hobby anglers and impose quota restrictions on them. This would obviously be a crazy thing to do, and it is therefore not at all our intention to implement such a ludicrous system. Let me make clear once and for all that the hobby angler who catches a few kilos of fish every time he goes out fishing and uses it for his private consumption, will not be covered by the control regulation, even if he catches fish like cod which is under a recovery plan.

There are however facts and figures in abundance that show that certain forms of so called recreational fishing have a dangerously considerable impact on certain vulnerable fish stock. We cannot just keep restricting severely professional fishing on those stocks but give the recreational fishermen a free ride.

#16 Post by **Tanglerat** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:42 pm

What's the source ofthat comment, john?

#17 Post by **Leon Roskilly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:53 pm

Full Speech by Jo Borg:

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct ... anguage=en

#18 Post by **Tanglerat** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:40 pm

Thanks Leon.

Some clarification re definations may be needed now. As far as I'm concerned, i'm NOT a "hobby" angler. I'm a Recreational Sea Angler.

The "recreational" anglers refered to by Borg should more properly be called commercial fishermen. It is not how you catch your fish, but why and what you do with them afterwards that should be controlled.

Anyone who catches any fish, including by rod and line, and sells their catch is de facto a commercial fisherman, and has no place under the Recreational Sea Angler title umbrella.

Botg and his cohorts should redefine Article 47 accordingly.

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