Irish Penn Sea League ???

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#1 Post by **JOHN LYNCH** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:32 pm

Do ye think an Irish version of the successful UK Penn Sea League would work over here??

Surely it would be good for the match angling scene here, which seems very scattered, especially on the west and south coasts.

Any views welcome.

#2 Post by **nthclare** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:50 pm

As far as I know John Irish clubs are able to list events with the penn sea league and include their matches in the list of comps I think Kilmore SAC are included in the penn sea league.

#3 Post by **paul mason** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:37 pm

There are a lot of Irish competitions listed for Penn sea league points south shore sac have four listed and most of the other leinster clubs who run opens are listed. Stephen Brennan finished second in the Penn sea league last year and could have won it only for a late run by the veteran angler Jim Dobie.
In lenister we run a league every year there are designated open competitions listed for leinster league points, this is hotly contested by all the top rods in leinster.

Rockhopper · #4 Post by **Rockhopper** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:11 am

Its a shame the word "OPEN" doesn't mean the same over here as it does in the UK....IMHO it would breath more life into Irish match fishing and benefit the clubs better too.

Tom.

#5 Post by **donal domeney** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:46 am

Rockhopper wrote:Its a shame the word "OPEN" doesn't mean the same over here as it does in the UK....IMHO it would breath more life into Irish match fishing and benefit the clubs better too.

Tom.

Intersting point, its more than likely is an insurance problem, a "day card" can be issued to cover non I.F.S.A. anglers for events here.

Rockhopper · #6 Post by **Rockhopper** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:56 am

Donal,

Are you saying that rule is in place now, or its being considered for the future?

It would give the clubs a better turn out and that has to relate back to better funds to spend on their members.

I know a few of the match anglers from here go over to the UK in search of Penn points, how many UK matchmen would visit Ireland for that reason.

Tom.

#7 Post by **donal domeney** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:25 am

The day card isued by the i.f.s.a. covers one single day or one one single event (festival)

the angler's name would have to bo registered with the provincial secretary prior to the event.

Rockhopper · #8 Post by **Rockhopper** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:41 am

That's news to me then Donal, first I've heard of it and its been talked about many times.

I take for granted there would be a charge for such a card....would it be issued at the registration for an open or would you need to apply in advance?

Tom.

#9 Post by **donal domeney** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:51 am

Rockhopper wrote:That's news to me then Donal, first I've heard of it and its been talked about many times.

I take for granted there would be a charge for such a card....would it be issued at the registration for an open or would you need to apply in advance?

Tom.

there is a charge, at at quick shout its €20 this is divided between the club , the provincal council and central council.

#10 Post by **fish4fun** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:33 pm

Rockhopper wrote:
I know a few of the match anglers from here go over to the UK in search of Penn points, how many UK matchmen would visit Ireland for that reason.

Tom.

I see what you're saying but I suppose they've got that much choice in the UK that they don't need the added travel. I know lads that regularly fish up to three matches a weekend if not more. It's easy enough to fish Friday evening, Saturday and a big Open on Sunday with plenty points on offer.

I organise an Open here and get lads from Wales, Scotland and across from Cumbria regularly as well as relatively local. But when you think 20 points for a win, a couple of results through the winter and your on a good start towards the final as some do.

Rockhopper · #11 Post by **Rockhopper** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:11 am

You don't see what I'm saying at all.

What I'm saying is that to you an OPEN is a match that anyone can fish....here you must be a member of the IFSA to fish it, or pay as Donal says 20 euros on top of the entry fee...plus give notice in advance of entry. These are not open competitions!

This IMHO is holding Irish match fishing back and likewise holding Irish clubs back.

Tom.

#12 Post by **beachcaster** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:55 am

i think the problem is with insurance tom as has been stated ,when you pay your club fees a large part goes to insurance through the ifsa to cover both club and open comps.an angler not in the ifsa has to think about public liability insurance in the event of some thing happening at a comp.most guys outside the ifsa probably dont have this,and i think it is quite costly aswell.to pay 20 euro on top of the cost of the comp plus the cost of fuel ,bait ,digs and food would be to much for most anglers ,and i think this is why you dont get everyone fishing opens.but i could be wrong lol!!!!!!

#13 Post by **JOHN LYNCH** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:56 pm

I'm aware of the fact that there are a number of opens in Ireland entered into the Penn Sea League , probably 10 plus at least, but in reality how many Irish anglers are looking to collect these point to qualify for the top 40 fishoffs, 2 or 3 at most. I think a better option would be to have a similar league for the island of Ireland in which all the top rods in Ireland can compete against each other .

The leinster league seems to be a well supported and successful league on the east coast, surely this could be replicated on a national scale. A similar system as the UK Penn sea league could be used. Obviously IFSA open matches would only count in any such a league.

Having a magazine such as "Irish Angler" support such a league as "Sea Angler" magazine does in the uk would greatly benefit it.

#14 Post by **nthclare** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:13 pm

I wonder if there was a mid west winter league covering from north kerry to galway how would that fair out maybe from oct till jan 2 comps a month or something maybe one midweek and another on a weekend

#15 Post by **JOHN LYNCH** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:55 am

I think that a clare /galway league might work but I dont see many kerry lads traveling that far to be honest. Having to go through Limerick city to go to or come back from competitions would be a bit far to travel for them.

I think that a Munster Sea League run in the same fashion as the Leinster sea league would be a good way to go.

2 Ifsa clubs in each of counties Cork, Kerry and Waterford could hold a round of the munster league in conjunction with one of their open competitions. 6 rounds in total. I think that most clubs would be in favour as it would also boost their coffers.

I'm a member of Tralee Bay Sac and Waterville Sac in County Kerry, so I think that I could possibly sort out the Kerry side of the league.

If there are any members of clubs from Cork and Waterford on the Forum maybe they could approach their committees with the idea of holding a round of the Munster Sea League. PM me if they would be any clubs interested.