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#1 Post by **m.b3** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:36 pm

bass 430mm overall
blue shark 5' 6"/ 1676mm to tip of tail
blonde ray 450mm winspan
thornback ray 450mm wingspan
cuckoo ray 300mm winspan
homlyn ray 300mm winspan
undulate ray 300mm wingspan
pollack and coalfish(shore) 300mm overall
" (boat) 400mm overall
tope 1 metre overall
flatfish(shore) 250mm overall
" (boat) 300mm overall
ling 450mm overall
grey gurnard 280mm overall
cuckoo wrasse 280mm overall
dab(boat) 280mm overall
cod 380mm overall
other species 300mm overall

#2 Post by **donal domeney** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:01 pm

Are these the old I.F.S.A. fish sizes. If they are, no one uses them any more. With the catch and release system clubs may deceide the minium fish size. The bass is the only species the I'd be worried about using a smaller size for. The law states that the bass must be over 40cm so if your catch a bass and keep it to be measured are you not then in possession of that fish and are you now breaking the law.

#3 Post by **m.b3** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:13 pm

they were in the old journals Donal.

are they not a guide for fish to be taken for the table?

dont know about the bass??

#4 Post by **donal domeney** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:49 pm

The sizes you quoted are the minium fish sizes to be used if weighing fish.
The sizes for fish to be kept for the table have cod at 40cm, conger at 80cm and ling at 600cm.
The sizes for culinary use are found at the start of the old diary under Competition Rules (1). While the other sizes are found at the back of the diary under Regulations regarding fish sized ect. effective from 1999

#5 Post by **croppyboy** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:43 am

so if you catch a 25 cm bass is it a scoring fish in a comp

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#6 Post by **stevecrow74** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:51 am

croppyboy wrote:so if you catch a 25 cm bass is it a scoring fish in a comp

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AFAIK bass dont score unless they are more than 35cm in comps.. i could be wrong though

#7 Post by **croppyboy** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:54 am

ill have to catch a bigger one then

#8 Post by **m.b3** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:15 am

donal domeney wrote:The sizes you quoted are the minium fish sizes to be used if weighing fish.
The sizes for fish to be kept for the table have cod at 40cm, conger at 80cm and ling at 600cm.
The sizes for culinary use are found at the start of the old diary under Competition Rules (1). While the other sizes are found at the back of the diary under Regulations regarding fish sized ect. effective from 1999

i'll have a look Donal. thanks

teacher · #9 Post by **teacher** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:33 am

stevecrow74 wrote:
croppyboy wrote:so if you catch a 25 cm bass is it a scoring fish in a comp

fintan
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AFAIK bass dont score unless they are more than 35cm in comps.. i could be wrong though

I don't think the SAI rules say anything about bass at all. A bass over 20cm would count like any other fish.

#10 Post by **boycie89** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:37 am

they are the old measurments for comps !!

paulocallaghan · #11 Post by **paulocallaghan** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:52 am

i think that a fish is a fish and that if its over the 200mm mark then it should count regardless of species (obviously eels are different), it takes no time to measure and put it back alive so there should be no reason for bigger sizes for the bass. the law does say that you cannt have in your possession a fish under 40cm from tip to tail but i dont think it was meant to be interpreted the way donal seems to be saying here, i dont think its counted as in your possession if you are only walking to the next angler and then to the water line. FWIW

#12 Post by **petekd** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:26 am

I would have to agree with you Paul on that. It would be a sorry state of affairs with all the netting etc going on if an angler were to be penalised for taking a minute to measure a fish before releasing it.

#13 Post by **MAC** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:27 am

I would tend to agree Paul..... If you took the same idea even further, when you were unhooking a fish of under 40cm it would also be in your possession :shock: Given that we now ask all anglers to carry a bucket of water to hold the fish in before measuring, I think we can say that the club gives all undersize fish that are caught the best chance of survival when returned to the water.

Kev

#14 Post by **Bradan** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:57 am

The legal interpretation would be that once a fish has been killed it is kept. Holding a live fish for a couple of minutes to measure it would not be regarding as keeping it in the legal sense. The interpretation Donal put forward would be taking things a bit too literally...

Just to clarify things....

Rockhopper · #15 Post by **Rockhopper** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:26 pm

Bradan,

I don't think that is right in law....the sizes Mark is looking at are for Commercial Fleets and are Law....like anglers, trawler men would catch some under-size fish and the law is, even if dead, under-size fish must be returned to the sea as soon as possible, dead or alive. One time all shore match angling weigh-ins used those type of sizes, now with catch and release min size can be anything, as long as the fish are put back into the sea as soon as possible, dead or alive.

In the UK fish sizes are decided by MAFF and called MAFF sizes, I think it stands for Ministry of "Agriculture Fisheries and Farming" I don't know who is responsible for fish sizes to the commercials in Irish waters.

Tom.

#16 Post by **sharky** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:15 pm

Very interesting, wonder what hat Donal is wearing is it his anglers hat or his Chairman of the Munster Council hat. The rule book states effective from 1999 (Diary 2006) Section 2.c.
"In the card and measurement system no minimum size is necessary but maximum sizes may be imposed by the organising committee" The bailiffs will not penalise anyone with an undersize Bass in their posession at any competition for the purposes of it being weighed and returned. How do you know the size of a Bass until you measure it and to do so you have to have it in your posession so you can not be breaking any laws. The Government legislation regarding Bass only applies to any and all fish which are to be killed for culinary or other legitimate use.

#17 Post by **donal domeney** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:26 am

sharky wrote:Very interesting, wonder what hat Donal is wearing is it his anglers hat or his Chairman of the Munster Council hat.

ANY COMMENT I MAKE ON THIS SITE IS DONE AS DONAL DOMENEY THE ANGLER AND DO NOT RELATE TO MY POSITION ON M.P.C.

The only place I use my m.p.c. inside knowledge is when I'm posting results from competitions or for up coming fixtures. On other matters I will refer the angler back to his/her club secretary.
Very disapointed by these comments.

#18 Post by **pete** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:49 pm

Our minimum fish sizes are listed in annex XII in the 850/19988 EU Reg 'Conservation of Fishery Resources'. These are the legal sizes that are checked on trawlers, landings etc. but would also apply across the board

pollock 30cm
megrim 20cm
whiting 27cm
mackerel 20cm
cod 35cm
dab 15cm
turbot 30cm
mullet 20cm
conger 58cm

The above are only a few of the species listed.

#19 Post by **petekd** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:47 pm

Pete, is there any chance you might get me a copy of those if you dont mind. This thread came about as we are changing around the layout of our Match scorecards and it would be a useful bit of info to include.

#20 Post by **pete** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:51 pm

I'll print you out a set no probs. Be back down next week so can give em to you then.

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