Global warming

[Stan]

Saw mackerel being caught by local netsmen in Ardmore bay yesterday. How strange is this in January!!
Bass being caught in Laytown in one of the shore reports and coalies stuffed with sandeels in Greystones.

It wont be long till we are trolling for Marlin here!!!

[JOHN1]

global warming is right.

just got tomorrows weather there giving 13 degrees. it is still january if that aint global warming i dont know what is. there is daffodils flowering in my garden as i type.

[stevecrow74]

[img]http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6816/globalwarmingproofza6.jpg[/img]

now as funny as the top image is.. compair it with the data below and you'll see relevance :shock: :shock:



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[frodo baggins]

you can't base global warming on a 156 year time line. the world is 6 billion years old.
personally i feel global warming is a serious threat, and we are contributing to it, but there are alot of other factors we have no comprehension of, also affecting global temperature.

i just don't like the way alot of these 'facts' are presented to the public.

everone knows that trees are needed to absorb carbon dioxide produced by fossil fuel burning yes? how many of ye know that trees also produce methane, a far more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. so maybe trees aren't so good after all! the scientific community only figured that one out in late 2004.
i'm not disagreeing or starting an arguement with anyone, but i just don't like the way the media has over simplified the whole issue and now everyone is an expert. (seriously steve i'm not having a crack at you)

i dunno, sorry it just annoys me. there's my little rant off my chest for the time being


Patrick

[fishinmidget]

I dunno, maybe you can put it on a 156 year time line. in the past 150 years cars and factories have contributed alot to global warming.

Just my 2 cents....

[frodo baggins]

the past 400,000 years. straight away it throws the past 150 years into perspective.

Patrick

[pookie5488]

One of my thesis at uni was on the affects of modern pollution fact ores on global warming.
I am no expert and agree that the period of time people talk about is not reflective of the worlds life and of many periods in earths history were the warming and colling of the earth have been a natural thing. In history there has always been a contestant warming up and then followed by a cooling period.
I think modern studies deal with a short period in this history IE 150 years. But what i believe is different this time is the effect everything from the industrial Revelation to mans modern throw away society has on what was the normal ebb and flow of life.
Were before in this period of time the planet could fix itself we now with population and carbon emissions make this near impossible. They say if we do this and do that we can help control and in turn add the planets recovery but what ever we do now is of no use until the USA and other countries like China and India get there act together we are peeing in a stream.

How many of use will give up on a small comfort like are 4x4 or recycle our waste. I would guess not many.

For anyone that does not think it is happening to our native animals it is recorded by the UN that the Scottish cross bill, found only in Scotland: its survival could demand an improbable migration to Iceland

i think we will all have to learn a new form of fishing using different rods and reels for more results all sports evolve naturally but due to global warming and its effects this will be imposed on use all allot faster than we thought.

Here is a small article i found of interest.

http://environment.newscientist.com/cha ... hange.html

I know we struggle to be heard over the commercial fishing group and have been fighting this fight for years. if only more of use realized that our sport is not only that a sport but now more than ever a way of life and pestered there local council not only on fish and fishing but on the hole picture our voice would be louder and maybe sooner than latter be heard. ( i hope )

all above is only my view on this matter and i hope did not offend.

[pookie5488]

Sorry lads didn't think was so long and boring just got me on a subject i enjoy a good old debat on.

if anyone read the hole thing and are still awake sorry lol

i don't have long dread locks and drive a camper van

[frodo baggins]

I concur pookie. i too spent a great deal of time in college trying to get to grips with climate change, and am definitely no expert. there does appear to be a natural cyclical pattern, but our contributions in recent times definitely goes against the grain, and we should most defeinitely make every effort we can to reduce our impact on the natural environment.
we can't change the past, what's done is done, but we do need to look towards the future, and change our attitudes. (me included! i studied environmental science in college and now that i'm out and working all i want is a huge range rover so i can be bigger than everyone else!!!!)

damned commercialism.....

[jd]

other countries like China and India get there act together we are peeing in a stream.

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The problem is that these countries are till only playing catch up with the west (economically).

Can we realistically tell them that it is ok for the West to have a developed consumerist economy, but that they can't because it is bad for the planet?

jd

[pookie5488]

I totally agree about 3rd world countries being at a disadvantage with us over growth.

But this is were we should lend a hand with rebuilding and helping sustain a growth in there economics.

We have the ability with technology to help but not to get into a political debate witch bores me, our politician's don't have the for site to see we can and should help.

I know all this very nobile and all that and may never as all us in the real world know ever happen. But they also need to see that with even recent history shows with flooding in these parts they have to help sort themselves for thier own future.

[alannelson]

Where we live today used ta be like the north poll and even tropical rain forests a long time ago it goes through a cycle but factory's power stations don't help the ozone layer that's a fact. Animals and birds are breeding right through the year cause they don't know what time of year it is as well as fish showing up at marks un expectantly at the wrong time of year.

[corbyeire]

politician's don't have the for site to see we can and should help.

politicians - have plenty of foresite etc. - they are well informed on the matter - but do you want to be the one to tell people their lifestyles have to change dramatically to be sustainable

its political suicide - the myriad of solutions are there - but not taken - and there are obviously the vested interests who are their puppeteers.

i dont drive a camper van or have dreadlocks - as if that matters

but the rate of change in the last 150 years is occuring faster than - the 400,000 yr ice core peaks and troughs record

in all the latest models for the intergovernmental panel on climate change - allowance is made for the expansion of emissions from countries such as china and india - even with their increases - so much has to be done in the western countries still

obviously we cant tell them not to pollute we created the problem - but as was said already - cleaner technologies should be invested in there

from my reading of scientific journals of the past 6 years (tell me about it! :roll: :roll: ) this current change is taken as given - and the disagreements, scientifically, are just in very minor details - which seem to become major as the politicians speak about it

[kerrywez]

Hi all,e I wonder why nobody has ever looked at the correlation between the vast increase in population and the warming of the earth. Most greenhouse gasses are not emitted by mankind, that having been said, they are responsible for the immense increase in the animals needed for their survival. These animals create methane and other greenhouse gasses, their slaughtering and processing also add to the mix.

In my humble opinion global warming is more to do with the world being over populated than any other reason. The world can only support so many people. Nature will always sort itself out in the end and if that takes some thinning of mankind then that is what will happen.

Just my thoughts on the subject. Someone said that it would be a disaster for governments to say that people would have to give up their comforts, well just think what stating the obvious, as I see it, would do for them.

[corbyeire]

there is another consensus - that we are also the next dinosaurs - overspecialised for this planet and the environment we are creating! - destined for extinction

other still see us as the bringer of the 6th great mass extinction - and this in itself is completely natural - as there were 5 previous ones in the fossil record :shock:

[Mr_Green]

We are all detrimental to the earth, never mind all the campaigns to stop it, we all contribute to the plantet negatively...theres only 1 way to stop it, and it aint pretty...

[corbyeire]

Hi all,e I wonder why nobody has ever looked at the correlation between the vast increase in population and the warming of the earth. Most greenhouse gasses are not emitted by mankind, that having been said, they are responsible for the immense increase in the animals needed for their survival. These animals create methane and other greenhouse gasses, their slaughtering and processing also add to the mix.

"the animals needed for survival" here i take it your reffering to meat production - they arent necessary for survival at all - we just have developed tastes for excessive protein consumption

we need protein for sure - but we eat way more meat than we actually need - 200 times more vegetable protein can be produced on the same land it takes to produce one beef cow - and that consequently feeds far more people