Cast nets.

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#21 Post by **contender** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:10 am

I, like fishinmidget also looked at cast nets and would not be live baiting, just collecting sandeel for the freezer. It would not be any more than i would buy from the tackle shop, thought it would just be a way to save a small amount of money and ensure better quality bait. And on whether live baiting is allowed or not it must be ok in the UK as i watched it being done on an english fishing show the other week on the telly, they rod caught sandeel from a sand bank and live hooked them for bass fishing.

#22 Post by **fishinmidget** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:14 am

Lots of things are different in the uk than here. for one you are allowed to live bait for pike.

I wouldnt just b using it for sandeels i would b using it for most of my bait i.e. mackeral, sandeels, shrimp and other small fish.

#23 Post by jd » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:20 am

petekd wrote: The Byelaw (No. 592), governing livebaiting SPECIFICALLY relates to freshwater.
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Absolutely.
This has come up in the past.
jd

#24 Post by **MAC** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:59 am

I am 100% sure that live baiting is not allowed in freshwater. This is stop the spread of fish and fish disease through different systems.

I have never seen any print or legislation about sea angling in Ireland, other that the Bass Ban. I would be 100% sure that live baiting in the sea is allowed. I done it the a couple of weeks ago for Tope. I used a live whiting.

Kev

#25 Post by **samo** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:09 pm

if its so cruel to the fish that your live bait fishing with what about the fish that takes the bait is that cruel aswell :?:

#26 Post by **petekd** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:50 pm

I made that point above Samo. Conscience issues aside on using live baits or not it seems the actual law was imposed as the lads said to prevent spread of diseases and species etc. It was nothing to do with cruelty.

#27 Post by **samo** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:00 pm

ye :lol:

#28 Post by **stevecrow74** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:48 am

well as i've said.. i'm only going on what i've been told.. :? :?

#29 Post by **BigPhil** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:22 am

back to cast nets, id say they would be handy for shoals of small sandeel for bait alrite, although they would need to be weighted fairly well to get them down quick before the eel all scarper!

#30 Post by **MAC** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:26 am

They normally have a good bit of weight Phil, which means that postage would be very expensive. Unless they were sold without weights and you added your own afterwards. I might pick myself up one in SA next year when I'm over there.

Kev

#31 Post by **fishinmidget** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:37 pm

well the one im getting has a pound of lead per foot raidus :? :? you can get heavier but they dont come with the mesh small enough....

[url]http://www.castnets.com/cart/products.asp?category=2[/url]

im gtiing the 1/4 inch mesh one.....not a bad price :D

PartyBoy · #32 Post by **PartyBoy** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:23 am

there was a top English fisherman caught bringing live bait into Ireland few weeks ago, not sure who but was on the car ferry , were taken off him and he got a large fine ,

PartyBoy · #33 Post by **PartyBoy** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:31 am

aswell you dont need loads of weight on the nets , the most important thing if your using the long nets is to make sure both sides are being pulled in at the same speed or you just lose most of them, good fun aswell though , you get a lot of white bait in with the sandeels , just have to watch out for weavers , nasty little buggers

#34 Post by **MAC** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:37 pm

Hi Partyboy,

That was pike anlers bring in Carp and Chub (I think) for use as live baits. As you can see with our lake systems and the fact that there are Chub on the Inny and Dace on the river Boyne, there are a few anglers out there that do not deserve to be called anglers. Sorry about going off topic.

I'll have a look at those nets that you posted a link to fishinmidget.

Kev

#35 Post by **Viper** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:53 pm

FYI...

http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/ae997b/AE997B19.htm

#36 Post by **Bradan** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:59 pm

MAC wrote:Hi Partyboy,

That was pike anlers bring in Carp and Chub (I think) for use as live baits. As you can see with our lake systems and the fact that there are Chub on the Inny and Dace on the river Boyne, there are a few anglers out there that do not deserve to be called anglers. Sorry about going off topic.
Kev

Spot on Kev, totally irresponsible behaviour. Neither carp or chub are native to Ireland, and carp are only allowed to be stocked in artificially-created lakes or where there are no fish and a put-and-take fishery can be developed without risk to the native fauna. Chub are being aggressively targeted for elimination from the Inny by the Shannon Regional Fisheries Board, although how successful that will be remains to be seen.

BTW, one of the 2 anglers caught was a well-known pike angling journalist, Nigel Williams. I think its ok to mention his name without fear of legal action as he has been convicted in court. He writes for Anglers Mail in the UK, and is still writing for them. He's also still retained as a consultant for Masterline. The 2 anglers were fined £800 sterling plus £500 costs each. Pretty light considering the damage they could have caused...

See this thread on another forum [url]http://forum.anglingtimes.co.uk/forumlive/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=660[/url] it gives an insight into how UK anglers see the issue. From the looks of it, Williams isn't on his own...