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#1 Post by **croppyboy** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:06 am

just a note do you think that a rod licence would stop the eastern europeans keeping small fish if it was inforced i never thought i would say this but i think it might be time to bring it in. i was out on saturday and the amount of small fish that was being kept was sickening it wont be long before theres trouble between anglers over this issue . Sea fishing is bad enough but out course anglers are just as angry wont be long before our rivers and canals are fish free what do you think. some irish anglers are just as bad but it seems to have improved

#2 Post by jd » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:15 am

I think there is a broader question here- if Sea Anglers want to be considered as an important stakeholder in Marine Fisheries; should they pay for a Rod Licence..???
jd

#3 Post by **liamdenn** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:20 am

i for one think we should so long as it would be paid to the fisheries board and not just into the goverment pot. 50 or 60 quid isnt much to pay for a hobby!

Rockhopper · #4 Post by **Rockhopper** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:51 am

In Florida it costs $32.00 for a recreational license, it all goes into the game and wildlife pot.

On the beach you have laws enforced. No one is allowed to interfere with an angler, jet skiers, surfers or swimmers take second place if the fisherman was there first.

Would that ever happen in Ireland or the UK, not in a million years.

Tom.

teacher · #5 Post by **teacher** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:09 am

I would not be in favour of a license for the reasons given in the OP because I don't think a license wouldn't solve that problem.

I'm undecided on the broader license issue. One of the attractive things about sea angling is how easy and cheap it is to get started, at least in a basic way.

Someone on the conservation forum suggested that a license should be required to keep certain fish, which I thought was a good idea, but harder to enforce than a blanket license. Perhaps a license could be required to fish in certain sensative areas, such as estuaries.

It's a very complex issue, with lots of options, so I'll vote yes and no!

#6 Post by **blaker** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:20 am

This debate could go on forever with a billion permutations in play.

From my point of view IF the money was used wholly and entirely for the betterment of facilities and amenities for ANGLERS and there was a merked increase in both those AND on site enforcement of catch rules and environmental rules I would personally have no problem.
However at the same time do you really think there is a snowballs that it would be enforceable on the holidaying dad and his young kids at the end of the pier for one week of the year or the mackerelling hordes?
Nice idea, buckets of potential, dozens of pitfalls.
You may point to the coarse and game situation as evidence of a licence's potential but there is a big difference between the sea and non sea arms of the sport. Lakes and rivers are bordered, limited in size and much more "patrollable" than the entirety of the coastline of Ireland. Cooarse and game men have been paying licences forever and it is no ingrained in the psyche. There also tends to be far far less seasonality about coarse and game anglers (ie no mackerel hordes).

As I said a never ending debate!

#7 Post by **Donagh** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:25 am

The only license in Ireland for fishing is for Salmon and Sea Trout and both species have been wiped out due to goverment policy e.g. drift nets and salmon farms. If the license gave me more fish and better fish I'll pay and if my auntie had balls she'd be me uncle :lol:

Donagh

#8 Post by **fishinmidget** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:15 am

i would pay but i wouldnt pay more than 80 for 1 year.

#9 Post by **corbyeire** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:47 am

dont know how you would enforce it

salmon and trout one as mentioned above hasnt worked

these guys dont have a culture of release - changing that takes time - which im sure will be longer than the fish numbers will hold up against

enforcement is the key - must be seen to be a problem - for any action to be taken - the eastern boys know they are not breaking any laws - so you get kindly told to f off at best or threatened

but as many people said we have to get into action over this - its us who suffer - clubs seem to be the obvious place to start as there is structure there already - and it wouldnt be starting from scratch

zensor · #10 Post by **zensor** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:45 pm

No, No, No. Would only be a new way to tax you. For evey million paid in about 90% would get lost in admin costs. We have more than one type of freshwater licence up here depending on what your fishing for and from what i hear it has never made a difference. The wasters and litter bugs are still gonna do what they want and take what they want. Pay a licence and get one part time warden to cover about 100 miles of coastline, thats about the best that would ever be offered. Now send the local police out every day to check licences and i would be for it.

#11 Post by **merv147** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:15 pm

i would pay for my sea fishing as long as it wasn't like the rivers if you know what i mean you just pay for a rod License you do not pay to fish in co.antrim then have to pay a second time to fish co.down. and kids get to fish free up to the age of 16 and the license was not to steep say £15-£20 a year and if you are here on holidays you can get a £3 pass for a week that wouldn't be too bad as long as a cut goes to the RNLI because them lads do a great job. and that all toilers that are not that are not from this land are keeped out maybe even on file and if they are found in the water a second time are find £25.000-£50.000 maybe more then yes i would be more than happy to pay

x · #12 Post by x » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:03 pm

I'd happily pay for a licence if the fees went in their entiretly to a working enforcement programme. Nothing else. And I'd want to see that programme in place and working before I parted with my cash. Believe me, in the US, the Dept of Fish and Game are well trained, equipped and empowered and the envy of many countries in this respect. I'm sure it costs a lot to run, but those folk do work. They get results. I'd pay for the same sort of service here.

However, I also see the perspective of those who fish occasionally for fun and might find the licence fee a financial burden as well as red tape they don't need or want.

I hear so much about the immense, immeasurable financial might of the commercial fishing industry. Maybe they ought to be taxed to pay for enforcement? God knows, it might in some small way make ammends for the havoc they have wreaked on fish stocks and the marine environment.

I think there is a broader question here- if Sea Anglers want to be considered as an important stakeholder in Marine Fisheries; should they pay for a Rod Licence..???
jd

My view on the above question is this: I am already an important stakeholder in the marine environment and I feel that I am entitled to this position by virtue of being a citizen. I do not have to pay for this 'privelege' any more than I have to pay to be regarded as an Irish citizen.

The real question here is, when will anglers cease to be treated as some sort of second class citizen when it comes to using marine resources? Why is angling not recognised as a sport? Does it not have a governing body, a code of practice, members, operate nationwide? I think (in fact, I know) the answer is when enough people join an angling body that lobbies for change. I'm just starting to see the benefits of this myself in my dealings with various bodies. I'll have more on that subject in due course, but lets say I'm getting places faster by being able to say that as a member of the SACN with a membership of some hundreds of individuals and organisations, than I would if I was just 'an angler'.

#13 Post by **stevecrow74** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:40 pm

i'm sorry but i would never pay a licence so that someone in a boat can come along with a net and take what ever species he wants, and get away with it...

and where would said fee money go to??? or should i say who's pocket :evil: :evil:

i just dont have enough faith in the system to see anything been done about it, and its not as if we have a straight coastline where it can be patrolled easily(if at all)

and its not as if rod caught fish make any major impact to fishing around our coasts, even with forigners taking undersized fish..

if anything it should be more like golf (thats some thing i thought i'd never say) in the way that if you want to play you have to join a club.. (that would eliminate mack bashers straight off :lol: :lol: )
so that any local authority can ask you for your ifsa number...

so to put it simply hold back on the rod liscence and only members of ifsa accredited clubs can fish

then at least local clubs will be getting more interest (and money)

justy my opinion 8)

#14 Post by **liamdenn** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:26 am

I think this poll shows we have a lot to learn.Surely as the biggest "community" of sea anglers in Ireland we should be leading the way in things like this. It is our sport we are talking about and it is up to us to lead the way in how it is going to go. The usual "whos pockets is it going to line" or "the forigners taking all our small fish" arguments just do not stand up. We have had threads on here before of ppl saying they target undersize fish because they cant catch anything else which puts paid to the argument that it is only those pesky foriginers that fish for undersize fish( we all know that very small fish will more often than not survive even if returned.)
and while every inch of coastline cannot be patroled all the time it should be obvious that like a salmon river only certain tides times and locations need to be checked. And that most people are decent and dont mind paying a little for their hobby especially if it means there is more money for education and managing our stocks. When one hears the gear talked about in the tackle section here and sees the cost of it noone can say they cannot afford a few euro a year for a liecense.
So Lads enough complaining and moaning, why not direct all this energy and spare time on your hands toward doing something proactive rather than sitting on the fence. and still be sitting there in 20 years complaining that there are no fish and that u can remember being able to walk across Esturarys on the backs of the bass they were so plentiful!!!

#15 Post by **Eoghan** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:10 pm

liamdenn wrote:I think this poll shows we have a lot to learn.Surely as the biggest "community" of sea anglers in Ireland we should be leading the way in things like this. It is our sport we are talking about and it is up to us to lead the way in how it is going to go. The usual "whos pockets is it going to line" or "the forigners taking all our small fish" arguments just do not stand up. We have had threads on here before of ppl saying they target undersize fish because they cant catch anything else which puts paid to the argument that it is only those pesky foriginers that fish for undersize fish( we all know that very small fish will more often than not survive even if returned.)
and while every inch of coastline cannot be patroled all the time it should be obvious that like a salmon river only certain tides times and locations need to be checked. And that most people are decent and dont mind paying a little for their hobby especially if it means there is more money for education and managing our stocks. When one hears the gear talked about in the tackle section here and sees the cost of it noone can say they cannot afford a few euro a year for a liecense.
So Lads enough complaining and moaning, why not direct all this energy and spare time on your hands toward doing something proactive rather than sitting on the fence. and still be sitting there in 20 years complaining that there are no fish and that u can remember being able to walk across Esturarys on the backs of the bass they were so plentiful!!!

Cant argue with that Liam..!

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