Specimen fish report 2012

[alby]

It was changed last year. It has to be posted or handed in to an office in dublin, they return it via registered post and it costs about €50+. Absolute rip off. I refused to pay it and caught my first specimen last year, typical

Agree 100% red. While myself & my mates arent specimen hunters by any stretch, we'd always get a few exceptional fish during the year, it was grand for bragging rights and a bit of banter to get into the report.

Unfortunately, I don't think the casual angler is going to fork out the €50 for certification (I'm certainly not) and I'd say the "real" specimen hunters must be rightly p*ssed off.

I've seen the test in action - 4 weights added, ah yeah, thats grand, print off cert

[The Austrian]

obesity diagnose brought to a new level - how many specimen fish reports do you think could be effectively questionable? The 'ah, sure, we'll be grand virus' well alive and kicking all over the palaces of incapability

[alby]

obesity diagnose brought to a new level - how many specimen fish reports do you think could be effectively questionable? The 'ah, sure, we'll be grand virus' well alive and kicking all over the palaces of incapability

Pls don't take my point above up incorrectly - the scales were certainly certified properly using the pre-defined weights added & verified. I have no question about validity of fish submitted on certified scales.

What I am questioning, is why this process is deemed to cost €50 ?

[jd]

What I am questioning, is why this process is deemed to cost €50 ?

I'd guess it's because the NSAI doesn't really want to do it, so they charge "nuisance money".

[Tanglerat]

Get it done up North.

[peakle]

i got scales certified with hanley controls last year in carrigtohill they are a european instrumentation company, sent copy off to dublin and sir willie wouldnt except it cause the scales number was not put on the form the lab in hanleys didnt realise it had to be put down so it was put on and resent he then gave a nonsence excuse that they didnt specify the weights used.when in fact they did in great detail, there is far more info on the hanleys cert than the shower in dublin and the test could be done while you wait for 25euro big difference they are a recognised company and calibrate lots of different equipment to nsai speck and stamp scales and give full scales report i think this is a jolly for crowd in dublin possibly a family member to one on committee maybe .in fairness to bridie in dublin she was very helpful and could not understand why sir willie wouldnt accept scales or furnish me with reasonable answer

[razor2]

i got scales certified with hanley controls last year in carrigtohill they are a european instrumentation company, sent copy off to dublin and sir willie wouldnt except it cause the scales number was not put on the form the lab in hanleys didnt realise it had to be put down so it was put on and resent he then gave a nonsence excuse that they didnt specify the weights used.when in fact they did in great detail, there is far more info on the hanleys cert than the shower in dublin and the test could be done while you wait for 25euro big difference they are a recognised company and calibrate lots of different equipment to nsai speck and stamp scales and give full scales report i think this is a jolly for crowd in dublin possibly a family member to one on committee maybe .in fairness to bridie in dublin she was very helpful and could not understand why sir willie wouldnt accept scales or furnish me with reasonable answer

I work in pharmaceutical and Hanleys do the calibration of all scales in most companys if its good enough for the FDA why not the scales for a specimen fish sounds a bit fishy

[peakle]

my sentiments exactly why anyone should have to post their scales to dublin is a joke i actually did after they refused hanleys cert, got it back with cert and a month later got a bill off shower in dublin what a joke even though i paid the way they wanted when sending it off.cowboys me thinks

[razor2]

my sentiments exactly why anyone should have to post their scales to dublin is a joke i actually did after they refused hanleys cert, got it back with cert and a month later got a bill off shower in dublin what a joke even though i paid the way they wanted when sending it off.cowboys me thinks

Crazy they didnt take the scales that was calibrated and verified from Hanleys sur that complete bull shite

[JimC]

This bugged me last year...I didn't do anything about it though...
I think I'll make contact this year and get to the bottom of it. I'll make a start at/after the awards.
I'm in a similar situation....scales certified by a in-house weights lab in a pharma company. I did the cert & test up to the same format as the NSAI report. You would think that this would be acceptable?

[dezzer]

Nice one Jim,think somebody needs to do something about this,also what bugged me is the ruler for the length based species has to be bought from a web site in America,why can't inland fisherie Ireland or the specimen comittie etc supply these for a small fee,as the information we as anglers are providing is valuable ,eddie.....

[Cluais]

Is there a email where we all can lodge a complaint about the calibration of scales

[JimC]

There is a contact email on the IFSC site. http://www.irish-trophy-fish.com/contact.htm

It's Bridies email so be sure to mark the emails for the attention of the Secretary IFSC (Willie Roche is the Secretary).

[alby]

Pointing out problems is the easy bit, but solutions is a little more difficult.

For accessibility, how about regional tackle shops were facilitated with the tools to certify scales?

I understand the certification must be beyond reproach, but surely there is a more efficient system of certification than the one that currently exists – it was an in-efficient process even when it was free of charge!

[The Austrian]

Pointing out problems is the easy bit, but solutions is a little more difficult.

And so why is that? I can easily think of one good solution straight away. A price reduction of 50% for every member of an angling club which is affiliated with the IFSA for example would do most of us fine

[Tanglerat]

Pointing out problems is the easy bit, but solutions is a little more difficult.

And so why is that? I can easily think of one good solution straight away. A price reduction of 50% for every member of an angling club which is affiliated with the IFSA for example would do most of us fine

What about anglers not in a club, or in a club not affiliated? Nothing to do with the IFSA, really. Different dept.

[The Austrian]

Pointing out problems is the easy bit, but solutions is a little more difficult.

And so why is that? I can easily think of one good solution straight away. A price reduction of 50% for every member of an angling club which is affiliated with the IFSA for example would do most of us fine

What about anglers not in a club, or in a club not affiliated? Nothing to do with the IFSA, really. Different dept.

I know that Gerry, just meant to be as added benefit and incentive to join a local club, anyway, I'm trying to think suggestive here FWIW.

[red]

Theres plenty of companys certified to go into supermarkets, delis, butchers, fish shops etc and calibrate their scales which are used to weight goods for the public to buy so they need to be bang on. Surely with so many shops shutting down these companys are looking for business and would be willing to do it. Cant imagine any of them turning down €20 to do 5mins work to check a small angling scales and produce a cert which is pre printed and only needs a few short details put on it.

[Cluais]

Theres plenty of companys certified to go into supermarkets, delis, butchers, fish shops etc and calibrate their scales which are used to weight goods for the public to buy so they need to be bang on. Surely with so many shops shutting down these companys are looking for business and would be willing to do it. Cant imagine any of them turning down €20 to do 5mins work to check a small angling scales and produce a cert which is pre printed and only needs a few short details put on it.

Couldn't agree more,so lets all get emailing them to show where not happy with the way it's done at the moment

[JimC]

Maybe better to register disapproval here. The IFSC is a voluntary organisation. IFI give them some support and some man hours. If they have to reply to a blast of mails it might just take up time. If we voice our disapproval here then this thread can be pointed out to them.
I will make a point of discussing the matter with the Secretary over coming weeks.

I think the issue is relatively straightforward: Where anglers present a "certificate of accuracy" that is from an appropriate service provider other than NML will the ISFC accept the presented certificate?