Jeez I`ve re-read this thread and I have to come to Roberts defence - Not once has he said he would secure a lead on with a crimped connection instead of a knot so relax Tom.
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Rockhopper
Marty my good man, you don't know me well enough to know or not know just how relaxed I am 8)
Go back to the first post by Robert and see where it takes me to task for having a knot in the trace body as he puts it.
There are many new to angling reading this site, if one of them ends up putting a sinker into someones head because they cant understand what is right and wrong about trace making, I think that important.
And a sweeping statement that is wrong about how tournament casters crimp weights on cant be left unchallenged.
Tom 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Go back to the first post by Robert and see where it takes me to task for having a knot in the trace body as he puts it.
There are many new to angling reading this site, if one of them ends up putting a sinker into someones head because they cant understand what is right and wrong about trace making, I think that important.
And a sweeping statement that is wrong about how tournament casters crimp weights on cant be left unchallenged.
Tom 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Just for the record how did you come to the fantasy that I said tournament casters use crimps instead of knots, actually when once did I say that??????, I told you three times I use crimps for trapping beads and nothing more same as most MATCH anglers, so at this point I think you have lost the plot. My only point which is a good one is never to put a knot in the main body of a trace as it weakens it more than any other knot and that's TRACE once again not main line that you strangely keep refering too. Normally I love a good debate but reading your agressive posts and insults I will swiftly move on.
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Be more responsible with you posting then Tom as you did say you used knots in you traces and didnt clearly state the the are (hopefully im sure) tied on top of the rig body to act as a stopper for a bead, this could be constrused by someone with less experience as tying a fig of 8 or sim as a stop on the main rig body which is seriously dangerous as you know.
And yes you should not crimp a lead on, but nobody said you should in the 1st place that was my point. Im not having a dig at you i just didnt see the need for getting so carried away, I see enough of that on my own site.
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And yes you should not crimp a lead on, but nobody said you should in the 1st place that was my point. Im not having a dig at you i just didnt see the need for getting so carried away, I see enough of that on my own site.
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posting, not flaming
Tom... and everyone else!
I've deleted some of the more offensive posts. Several of you have mail.
This is a U-13 registered family and junior friendly site - it has never suffered from the flame wars that have erupted elsewhere on the net.
Many of the posts are clearly indicative of experience, expertise and ability but how people have expressed themselves here leaves a lot to be desired; we do not tolerate flame wars on these boards. They have been the death of other sites and there is no point to them at all. Simple as that...
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I've deleted some of the more offensive posts. Several of you have mail.
This is a U-13 registered family and junior friendly site - it has never suffered from the flame wars that have erupted elsewhere on the net.
Many of the posts are clearly indicative of experience, expertise and ability but how people have expressed themselves here leaves a lot to be desired; we do not tolerate flame wars on these boards. They have been the death of other sites and there is no point to them at all. Simple as that...
If anyone insists flaming other members, membership will be revoked and your computer IP address blocked. I would like to point out that in umpteen years we have never had to do this, not even once...
This rule applies to everyone, no favour, no discrimination, no exceptions.
We can all have a bad day at work etc. and displace our frustration and fire off something we regret :wink: you can always edit it and apologise for any offence intended or accidental, either on the thread or by PMs.
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Robert, Marty,
To agree now would make all three of us wrong, if we leave it lie then we are all in the right.
My last word on this matter (I do practice what I preach) is, that a few on this site know me in person, I like a laugh with the best of them and never go out of my way to offend.
Had either of you two been in person (alone or in a crowd) you wound not I am sure have taken offense at my spoken words. I don't lay any claim to being a word-smith when it comes to written words.
Regards,
Tom.
To agree now would make all three of us wrong, if we leave it lie then we are all in the right.
My last word on this matter (I do practice what I preach) is, that a few on this site know me in person, I like a laugh with the best of them and never go out of my way to offend.
Had either of you two been in person (alone or in a crowd) you wound not I am sure have taken offense at my spoken words. I don't lay any claim to being a word-smith when it comes to written words.
Regards,
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Without prejudice and without getting involved in the whos right, whos wrong debate etc, this thread did highlight something I wasnt aware of, in that just tying an overhand knot in my rig body was totally unsafe. It would have been something i would have done on many rigs, mostly of the scratching paternoster type, EG A three hook trace would contain at least 6 of these, a scary thought.
Just a thought and feel free to blast me out of the water if its wrong, Im just seeking advice, not trying to put in my 2 pennorth. Would it be better if, when it came to securing rig components, booms etc in place, a simple bead was used with the rig body passed through and then through again? I have tried this and it seems secure and also easily adjustable without the need for crimps, stop-knots or totally unsafe overhand knots! Is this a safe method or not?
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Just a thought and feel free to blast me out of the water if its wrong, Im just seeking advice, not trying to put in my 2 pennorth. Would it be better if, when it came to securing rig components, booms etc in place, a simple bead was used with the rig body passed through and then through again? I have tried this and it seems secure and also easily adjustable without the need for crimps, stop-knots or totally unsafe overhand knots! Is this a safe method or not?
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Pete,
I used this method on a few of my earlier rigs when I started. The line weakens significantly at the point the line passed through the bead leaving a crack-off and half a rig! Depends on the breaking strain, how much lead you have and how smooth you cast is. Mine was 60lb with a violent cast. I changed to crimps for multi snood rigs, but prefer to fish the rocks with a pulley anyway!
petekd wrote:Would it be better if, when it came to securing rig components, booms etc in place, a simple bead was used with the rig body passed through and then through again? Pete
I used this method on a few of my earlier rigs when I started. The line weakens significantly at the point the line passed through the bead leaving a crack-off and half a rig! Depends on the breaking strain, how much lead you have and how smooth you cast is. Mine was 60lb with a violent cast. I changed to crimps for multi snood rigs, but prefer to fish the rocks with a pulley anyway!
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Another method of rigging an end trace I've seen that has me wondering about the effect on line strength is to tie 2 or 3 blood loops into the trace body an hang the snoods off these. I've seen this described in a number of mags and seen people use it in practice. Is this a 'safe' method and if so, by what factor do you need to scale up the line strength?
I try to stick to a straight trace with a swivel on the top and a lead link on the bottom - booms or swivels to attach snoods to are held in place with crimps that I can move under firm pressure. It'd be good to find a simpler method. Having said that, the above design has yet to let me down.
I try to stick to a straight trace with a swivel on the top and a lead link on the bottom - booms or swivels to attach snoods to are held in place with crimps that I can move under firm pressure. It'd be good to find a simpler method. Having said that, the above design has yet to let me down.
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Pat,
I think the two main factors with any rig should be if its a distance rig or a rig to be lobbed.
Distance rigs need to be as strong as possible, no chances taken.
A lobbing rig can be almost anything as long as the guy casting it doesn't slice it sideways and it goes over head it should be safe.
That blood-loop rig is one of the oldest in the book, good if your not casting hard, good for getting the snoods to stand off too. looks horrible though :lol:
If you don't want to use swivels and want to join mono to mono or trace body to snood IMO a "Surgeons Knot" is the best, but you need to have the snood end coming out in the direction you want it, its pretty safe for casting as it doesn't close down all that tight on itself in one place, but if you have the snood end pointing up, presentation of the bait is better, but a big fish can make the knot slip and come undone, if the snood line comes out pointing down, presentation is not so good but the knot is very strong.
http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishi ... goGrog.jpg
http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html
These are a couple of good sites for knots....the animated one if fantastic!
Tom.
I think the two main factors with any rig should be if its a distance rig or a rig to be lobbed.
Distance rigs need to be as strong as possible, no chances taken.
A lobbing rig can be almost anything as long as the guy casting it doesn't slice it sideways and it goes over head it should be safe.
That blood-loop rig is one of the oldest in the book, good if your not casting hard, good for getting the snoods to stand off too. looks horrible though :lol:
If you don't want to use swivels and want to join mono to mono or trace body to snood IMO a "Surgeons Knot" is the best, but you need to have the snood end coming out in the direction you want it, its pretty safe for casting as it doesn't close down all that tight on itself in one place, but if you have the snood end pointing up, presentation of the bait is better, but a big fish can make the knot slip and come undone, if the snood line comes out pointing down, presentation is not so good but the knot is very strong.
http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishi ... goGrog.jpg
http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page6-1.html
These are a couple of good sites for knots....the animated one if fantastic!
Tom.