doggie3131 wrote:Now if i could only catch ONE!!




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doggie3131 wrote:Now if i could only catch ONE!!
very well said kerry,as you can see from his previous topics ashley seems to have a habit of initiating pointless debates/discussions just for the sake of it,no wonder our fisheries boards are useless with this level of intelligence at the helm.KERRY1 wrote:With all due respect, it is my opinion that there are those out there who like to start up topics on here that are controversial and although any good discussion is to be welcomed on here as it is a public forum after all I would have to question the motives/intentions of some people when such a question like this one is brought up in the first place. I have always been a suspicious person but I think that is a good thing sometimes.
Keeping the current ban intact/as it is now is not only important to alot of us individual anglers, it’s also important not least to the tourism industry as without the presence of Bass in the country alot of people would stop coming to Ireland to fish and alot of money would be lost as a result of this BUT - money shouldn’t be the main issue here, protecting our Bass stocks for generations to come should be our priority.
i think theres a case to answer alright.....using bass tactics,bass bait,at a known bass hotspot...and catching bass???? .and this guy works in fisheries....i mean c`mon ffsadam2040 wrote:So should Ashley and his mate be prosectued for fishing in close with lug?
mary hinge wrote:very well said kerry,as you can see from his previous topics ashley seems to have a habit of initiating pointless debates/discussions just for the sake of it,no wonder our fisheries boards are useless with this level of intelligence at the helm.KERRY1 wrote:With all due respect, it is my opinion that there are those out there who like to start up topics on here that are controversial and although any good discussion is to be welcomed on here as it is a public forum after all I would have to question the motives/intentions of some people when such a question like this one is brought up in the first place. I have always been a suspicious person but I think that is a good thing sometimes.
Keeping the current ban intact/as it is now is not only important to alot of us individual anglers, it’s also important not least to the tourism industry as without the presence of Bass in the country alot of people would stop coming to Ireland to fish and alot of money would be lost as a result of this BUT - money shouldn’t be the main issue here, protecting our Bass stocks for generations to come should be our priority.i think theres a case to answer alright.....using Bass tactics,Bass bait,at a known Bass hotspot...and catching Bass???? .and this guy works in fisheries....i mean c`mon ffsadam2040 wrote:So should Ashley and his mate be prosectued for fishing in close with lug?
there is no debate man,things are fine the way they are regarding the ban and to alter or change it just to suit one guy even if he is a fisheries official would be folly.he has actually raised a worrying point-how many other lads around wexford are fishing in close using lug for smutsdoggie3131 wrote: seems to me mary, that you like to post pointless controversial comments yourself,good debate gets every one thinking about Bass and there wellfare.how is that pointless? and your comments only take away from this debate!
Shane, I am just trying to demonstrate the point that under the current rules he is probably guilty but is it really an offence to go fishing with lug and yes it would not be my bait of choice for hounds either.ShaneH wrote:hold on im just stating the obvious that he is using Bass tactics to catch hounds and then starts this tread cos he catches a Bass if he is really that concerned about Bass he wouldnt of used lug close in on a wexford beach i couldnt care if he caught Bass but he put himself in the situation were he would catch Bass and he knows itadam2040 wrote:So should Ashley and his mate be prosectued for fishing in close with lug?
I think you will find that your information on fisheries board employees is out of date and incorrectmary hinge wrote:there is no debate man,things are fine the way they are regarding the ban and to alter or change it just to suit one guy even if he is a fisheries official would be folly.he has actually raised a worrying point-how many other lads around wexford are fishing in close using lug for smutsdoggie3131 wrote: seems to me mary, that you like to post pointless controversial comments yourself,good debate gets every one thinking about Bass and there wellfare.how is that pointless? and your comments only take away from this debate!.sure if its ok for the fisheries board to do it.........
lodore wrote:I'm agnostic with respect to the timing of the ban, though I support entirely Ashley's right to bring it up as an issue for debate. After all, this is a forum for discussion, not North Korea. For what it's worth, I think the issue is best left to fisheries scientists, who have the data to hand. If they suggest a change, then I'd go along with it.
What worries me far more, however, is how any challenging of the ban, no matter how benign, would be pounced on by the commercial lobby. Right now, they're actively campaigning for the Bass fishery to be re-opened, and the only opposition they face is from us, recreational anglers. If we look, even for a second, that we're trying to have things both ways (i.e. total ban for them, no ban for us) they will use it as a sterling example of our hippocrisy. I know Ashley isn't suggesting this, but that's how it will be taken.
So, for strategic reasons if no other, I think this discussion should be put on ice for now.
Lodore
ive siad it before ,the only time you see a dead wild bass is on the pages of angling forums,this also helps the commercial fishermans caselodore wrote:I'm agnostic with respect to the timing of the ban, though I support entirely Ashley's right to bring it up as an issue for debate. After all, this is a forum for discussion, not North Korea. For what it's worth, I think the issue is best left to fisheries scientists, who have the data to hand. If they suggest a change, then I'd go along with it.
What worries me far more, however, is how any challenging of the ban, no matter how benign, would be pounced on by the commercial lobby. Right now, they're actively campaigning for the Bass fishery to be re-opened, and the only opposition they face is from us, recreational anglers. If we look, even for a second, that we're trying to have things both ways (i.e. total ban for them, no ban for us) they will use it as a sterling example of our hippocrisy. I know Ashley isn't suggesting this, but that's how it will be taken.
So, for strategic reasons if no other, I think this discussion should be put on ice for now.
Lodore
yes democratic ,you seem to be the only one that wants it removed.Ashley Hayden wrote:The Bass conservation measure, in place for twenty years, has helped improve stocks from a point of near extinction around the coast of Ireland and that is a given.
However the bye law can be improved and twenty years on, with the commercial lobby seriously upping the anti, a consideration has to be made on this issue. It is timely for a proper management study to be conducted on Bass to remove misinformation, for it is misinformation that is the real threat to Bass. So debate is important.
I want not just Bass, but all sea fish stocks to improve. I also want to feel comfortable when I am fishing and not have to pack up because I am catching a fish "out of season" and potentially could harm them.
Most importantly the Bass conservation measure has to be democratic and try, as best as possible, to serve all the people of Ireland. The bye law in its present form does not do this and needs to be improved. We need to work on facts not conjecture, that is the only way that Bass are going to be safeguarded into the future.
davetilly wrote:as anglers .we need to add to the ban .we need to be seen to support the fish we all hunt .the ban is great ,the 2 fish in 24 hours should be only 1 fish .and not bigger than 5 lbs or relevant size.this would help the stocks and add more big fish for spawning.if were seen to go the extra mile for our sport this makes the anglers the gardiuns of the Bass.
thats exactly the attitude we need ,never mind trying to get the closed season removed,
lodore wrote:I'm agnostic with respect to the timing of the ban, though I support entirely Ashley's right to bring it up as an issue for debate. After all, this is a forum for discussion, not North Korea. For what it's worth, I think the issue is best left to fisheries scientists, who have the data to hand. If they suggest a change, then I'd go along with it.
What worries me far more, however, is how any challenging of the ban, no matter how benign, would be pounced on by the commercial lobby. Right now, they're actively campaigning for the Bass fishery to be re-opened, and the only opposition they face is from us, recreational anglers. If we look, even for a second, that we're trying to have things both ways (i.e. total ban for them, no ban for us) they will use it as a sterling example of our hippocrisy. I know Ashley isn't suggesting this, but that's how it will be taken.
So, for strategic reasons if no other, I think this discussion should be put on ice for now.
Lodore