Snood Lengths.

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#1 Post by **Drew** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:39 pm

I usually use 15/20cm Snoods.
Anyone use anything much greater than that?
Does it effect bite detection?

#2 Post by **beachcaster** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:42 pm

long snoods 20-36" are good for flounder ,add movement and present the bait much better.mainly used when fishing in close ,if you are going for distance clipped down rig such as the bomber rig one long snood one short both clipped behind lead for distance.or the portsmouth rig or millenium rig as it is called here.

#3 Post by **Drew** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:45 pm

.... I just use the walk anyway mate. 8)

#4 Post by **beachcaster** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:53 pm

ye i know i was there,but it dont always work mate.

#5 Post by **squalus** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:56 pm

Sometimes a longer snood works for flounders, but dont have it too long that it tangles during the cast. The best advice I can give is experiment on snood length and see what other successful anglers around you use.
I would tend to have snoods of 30cm to 45cm for my doggie and general fishing but again sometimes they dont work. I fid one of the easiest rigs to use is a pulley rig with a wishbone. This can be made up to any length you want.

#6 Post by **m.b3** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:39 pm

this is too big a question K2!!! i'll give a general opinion!

tide run- long snoods/ little or no tide- short snoods. there are exceptions to every rule though! l
ong snoods need tidal movement/flow to stretch them out whilst short snoods give the bait more movement than a long snood in little or no tidal movement.
a long snood in a slack tide will lie in a heap on the bottom. a short snood will see baits jigging slightly as the wind or waves hit the mainline.
sometimes you need a short snood in a really strong tide to keep baits near the fish, depending on how deep the water is and how high up u are fishing.
a long snood in a slack tide is good for fish that are put off by resistence felt by the lead, the long snood leads to more confident takes and more hook-ups.
personally i don't believe that long snoods in little tide work for dogfish because of the movement they give to baits- i think its because of the above metioned. how can a long snood give movement to a bait if there is no tide?!!!

#7 Post by **BigPhil** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:55 pm

add a floating bead or two :wink:

#8 Post by **m.b3** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:28 am

floating beads help stretch snoods out in little or no tide. current makes baits wiggle with floaties?!! with no current the baits will still be motionless just slightly popped?? unless a fish swims by them!?

congrats on the win Phil. well done!

#9 Post by **BigPhil** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:54 am

if the water is that dead it would be better just using a lighter lead a gradually twitching your baits back in to cover more ground and more fish.

#10 Post by **rocketman** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:20 am

mb3,

be very interested to know your thoughts on specific lengths of short snoods would you go as low as or even lower than 6 inches?

also what are your thoughts on line thickness or b/s for snoods? ive been experimenting a little with low diameter snoods (down to 10lb b/s) and have seen a slight increase in catch rates particularly for smaller fish

im also a little fascinated by the whole idea of using floating beads to enhance bait presentation as ive never tried this before. theories on how or why this works, position, size, amount of beads etc most welcome. does it work all the time with all baits or is it only successful with certain baits?

.

#11 Post by **m.b3** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:55 pm

rocketman i am still experimenting myself. this topic gets my head in a big muddle as there are so many variations and exceptions to the rule.

lighter breaking strains have increased my small fish catch on some beaches. at certain venues/ times of the year the use of lighter b.s. lines will help catch 'larger' fish- decent flounder in march for example. the problem is when fishing some venues with the lighter snoods can mean more small fish when using heavier would mean an equal amount of bigger fish!! the heavier line deterring the smaller fish!
coalies definately respond to lighter snoods. i remember trying them on a venue i had fished for whole summers on end. i didn't know that there were so many coalies(mostly small) there until i used lighter snoods. i am goin to be trying the long light snoods soon and i will let you know how i get on!

i have used 4" snoods for whiting and similar for dogs(on a clip down, 6"top, 5"middle, 4"bottom). this worked well for dogs at times giving more doubles than i would normally get from the same venue. hooks fished close together like this could possibly work in a similar way to a wishbone arrangement?? i heard of an east coast angler that swore by using 4" snoods! as for what species and when i don't know??

6or 7" snoods are standard lenght on boom rigs, although you will get away with longer. i have used as light as 5lb. b.s. but to be honest in average sea conditions it is not practical! 10 or 12lb. is a reasonable strenght though.

floating beads definately do work and often very well. i would even go so far as to say at times if u don't use them it can be the difference between a good or a bad session. there are different ways to arrange them alright.
u should test their bouyancies in a pint glass! see which ones to use for different hook or bait sizes.
they can be used to pop up baits, keep baits from getting buried in kelp or mud or to help baits catch the tide and wiggle in the flow. they can be used on top hook to target pollack whilst bottom fishing where sand meets rock, whilst fishin for other species on the bottom.
some think beads 'click' off oneanother when the the surf washes the rig and this in turn attracts fish, there might be some truth in it?!?
you can fish them tight against the bait, loose on the line or a few inches up from the baited hook-positioned between 2 stop knots/ rig tube. this way will give the bait more side to side movement in the tide and can be handy for altering the way your hookbait behaves or how far up off the bottom it is.
as for how many to use? i'd say use a little as you can get away with, minimum for maximum effect.
i can't really think of a bait they won't work with?? the main problem i have with them is their price!!

#12 Post by **sevans** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:36 pm

nice post mark,
you can email me with some tips for the weekend if you like..

shaun

#13 Post by **m.b3** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:56 pm

what ya lookin for?! i'll pm u for ballyvaldon/ ballynamona?? have to check my diary!

#14 Post by **rocketman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:31 am

mb3,

like sevans says excellent post appreciate you sharing your thoughts/theories.

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#15 Post by **m.b3** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:58 pm

no prob rocketman. keep trying things out for yourself. every now and then you will come accross something that really can make a difference.

oh, and enjoy it!

#16 Post by **Codswallop** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:15 pm

Yeah well done Mb3 ive seen alot of your posts, very vast knowledge. Myself and John D must meet up with you for a session somewhere around Dublin soon, im sure we could learn alot from you.

Codswallop

#17 Post by **m.b3** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:11 am

can we try somewhere outside of dublin?? please!!

art/ · #18 Post by **art/** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:02 pm

hi k2
could try this
1 ft, snool cover with small beads put hooks1.5 2 inch apart along snool say 4 hooks
put different bait on each hook
does not tangle much better after dark v.g for coddling
have coughta lot of fish on this
out fishes most others
record bream on the above aug/ 05
also catch lots of bass/bream 2 and 3 at a time
way better than standard snools
1 better scent trail
2 most fish lip hooked
3 takes more than 1 crab to stop it fishing
4 selection of diff. baits on same snool at same time;ie. lug,crab,mack.,
5 deadly in dirty water
try it bet u start catching more fish
art/

#19 Post by **m.b3** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:45 pm

why do you use the small beads art?

just a link, don't agree with it all but here yee go anyway!

http://www.worldseafishing.com/sea_diar ... _may.shtml
Sea Fishing UK | Mike's Diary | Does hook snood length matter, rock wrassing tactics

#20 Post by **Donagh** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:25 pm

Sorry art is that 4 hooks on one snood? I heard that if there was more than 3 hooks on a rig a fish caught by it couldn't have a specimen claim. Is that true?

Donagh