Joining braid to monofilament ..what knot?

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#1 Post by **antbear** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:01 am

Following on from the braid to braid debate, I had never used braid until this week-end when I tried my hand at a days fishing in Spanish Point.

I was using a tapered shock-leader and 20 lb braid, bottom fishing of the beach with a paternoster rig and a grip lead.

I lost all of the rigs eventually. I used blood knots to connect braid and mono.

What knots would you recommend to keep this from happening?

The days fishing drew a blank bye the way. I must remember the old fishermans advice given to me years ago to never go fishing in a cold northerly wind!!

#2 Post by **Adam S** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:12 am

dont use a blood knot, because of the way its tied it causes the braid to dig into (strangle) the mono and will cut through the mono at well below its breaking strain.

i use a grinner (uni knot) to grinner for mono lines up to about 30lbs and this

http://www.hatterasoutfitters.com/image ... r_knot.gif

grinner to overhand knot for mono shockleaders

#3 Post by **slowarm** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:01 pm

As Adam said, grinny is probably the best for this - haven't tried the overhand version. Try this site for many knot types.

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

Gives a step by step breakdown of making the knot.

#4 Post by **antbear** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:02 pm

Thanks Guys,

I tried that, not easy but it sure is strong. Won't be tying that on site, have to do it at home.
Another thing that happened with the braid was it kept forming large fluffy knots much like birdnest type knots between the reel and sinker mostly within 10 metres of the rig and weight.
Thats never happened to me before with mono.
Any ideas whats happening and how to rectify it?

#5 Post by **stevecrow74** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:05 pm

antbear wrote:do it at home.
Another thing that happened with the braid was it kept forming large fluffy knots much like birdnest type knots between the reel and sinker mostly within 10 metres of the rig and weight.
Thats never happened to me before with mono.
Any ideas whats happening and how to rectify it?

sounds like a wind knot, i take it you are using a fixed spool reel and have the braid fairly full on the spool too, that is the main cause of wind knots(not sure if that is the correct name for them, but it works for me)

one solution to rectify this is by having the spool less full i.e. having less line on the spool. a couple of millimetres less between the line and rim of the spool is all it takes..

if your using a multi, just tighten the the end cap slightly or add a bit more to the mags depending on the reel :wink:

#6 Post by **SeanP** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:33 pm

I find this knot good for braid to mono here
for a thinner knot I do the same but not doubling up the braid and going through 18 times.
I used to always fish from the shore with braid while col used mono, I always got more weed on the line for some reason, would use it now if there was not to much surf or fishing close in.
Sean

Liamo · #7 Post by **Liamo** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:23 am

Hi SeanP,

I think that knot on Neil Mackellow's site is a an albright knot. I used to use this with braid and mono but found the braid cuts into the mono loop and went back to a grinner to grinner with twice as many turns on the braid side.

Liam

#8 Post by **SeanP** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:04 pm

Liamo wrote:Hi SeanP,

grinner to grinner with twice as many turns on the braid side.

Liam

Cheers Liam, will try that one as well.

#9 Post by **EoinMag** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:12 pm

Liamo wrote:Hi SeanP,

I think that knot on Neil Mackellow's site is a an albright knot. I used to use this with braid and mono but found the braid cuts into the mono loop and went back to a grinner to grinner with twice as many turns on the braid side.

Liam

It's an Albright knot but the way it's put together is very unconventional.
I use the version of the Albright shown on the flyer that comes with Powerpro braid where they show you to put a locking knot on top of the Albright to help counter slippage from the braid.
I've never had a problem with the braid cutting the mono when I use an Albright, but maybe that's just me.

#10 Post by **greg** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:41 pm

when tying braid to mono always use super glue it stops the braid cutting the mono.

#11 Post by **gannet** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:52 am

Try, Albright Special, Stren Knot, or the Yutican Knot in which the braid is doubled making tying much easier.

#12 Post by **antbear** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:41 pm

Thanks for all the comments and replies.

I will try superglue as suggsted and will try some of the knot variations also.

Regarding the knots on my line, I did not have the reel too full. A fellow amateur suggests that braid is great for spinning, but when beachcasting it is better to use mono to avoid those very knots?

What do you think?

#13 Post by **EoinMag** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:07 pm

It depends what reel you'd like to use for beachcasting. A multiplier is less suitable and can be a bit of a handful when using braid, if it gets away from you you'll get a birdsnest or a crackoff or both and birdies aren't easy picked out of braid if they bed in.
Fixed spool isn't too bad for braid off the beach though, I use braid on a Shimano Aerlex 8000 paired with a Daiwa Sandstorm 13F and it's fine.

#14 Post by **antbear** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:21 pm

Thanks for that tip.
I only use fixed spool reel for beack casting.
I have a multiplier but I never got the hang of distance casting with it without serious grief, so I only use it for near shore.

Thanks again

Antbear

#15 Post by **hush1** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:32 pm

anyone not bother with the braid and just tie the braid direct to the rig? :shock:

#16 Post by **EoinMag** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:43 pm

hush1 wrote:anyone not bother with the braid and just tie the braid direct to the rig? :shock:

I have done it in the past but I prefer a bit of mono for some stretch even if it's not much and with 30lb braid I won't do it if really whacking it out there, and it's generally the rod I'd use for distance.

Lalas · #17 Post by **Lalas** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:40 pm

Hi folks, it´s my first post here...

the two best knots to tie mono 2 multi are the SF knot and the Midknot... they're not that simple to tie, but after you get used to it, you'll never use another kind of knots... usually when you tie it properly and you have a snag the line breaks on the mono if they have similar resistence. the line usually in the swivel ou hook or whatever...

this is the midknot

and here is a link to a video showing how to tie a SF Knot, it seems to be more complicated then qhat it really is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V-2cBX59k8

Cheers
Marco Antonio Lalas

Liamo · #18 Post by **Liamo** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:34 pm

Hi,

Anyone tried the J knot on Mike Thrussels site and if so how do ye find it?

http://www.worldseafishing.com/tackle/knots/j_knot_braid_to_mono.html

Liam

#19 Post by **roger de dodger** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:18 pm

lalas if i tried that knot on the beach on a wet and windy day i think i,d go lala :roll:

not that i have to put on many shock leader knots as the grinner to grinner has never let me down as the lads suggest use 5 or 6 turns in the mono and 10 or 12 in the braid ,tapered shock leaders help keep the knot small as the grinner tied in 70 lb mono is quite bulky
dodger

#20 Post by **Tommy B** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:24 am

I use a knot called a "slim beauty" http://www.kayak-fish-florida.com/artic ... y_knot.htm
It's a tiny knot and easy to tie. I use it on 12lb braid to 20lb mono. I have had about 3 snags and the knot has never failed me

Sea Angling Ireland

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