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#1 Post by jw »

i'm highly sceptical of the merits of so called fluorocarbon lines
is it really invisible in water? if so does it matter to sea fish?
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#2 Post by kstaff »

Hi John,

good idea with the glass but I'm not sure invisible leader is essential, at 50lb+ bs it would be hard to hide any line i guess.

I must try with a typical snood length bs 10-20lb maybe to see how that looks in the glass! If it does turn invisible how will i know if it's s till in there? :D
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#3 Post by stevecrow74 »

spanner in the works: fish see a different spectrum of light to us..
so what we see doesn't mean fish can, even though the fish can see things we cant, Uv being one.. :shock:
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#4 Post by Tanglerat »

fc sinks 3 times faster that mono. That has applications in swff. :D
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#5 Post by daithi »

we should all be using red snoods apparently. first colour in the spectrum to disappear i'm told. although fishing at night or in cloudy water i dont imagine any line would be too visible
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red just turns grey....... doesnt dissapear
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fluoro-sceptic?
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#8 Post by petekd »

One of the more unsung merits of fluoro is how it aids presentation. Being a harder, stiffer line than Mono, it allows superior presentation especially with stand off snoods and the like and resists tangles. Try using a long gilling rig tied on light mono and see what happens to it.

I'm a complete convert to Fluoro to be honest, boat and shore. I know its expensive stuff but it certainly seems to make a difference and do the biz. As a matter of interest, what are you using the 50lb fluoro for? One thing to be careful of is knot strength, extreme care must be taken when tying knots in fluoro as, being harder, it can be brittle.

is it really invisible in water? if so does it matter to sea fish?


Certainly does John, EG you ever get a day on the boat when all you keep getting are pollack plucking at the bait or not at all? Step down through the BSs lengthen the rig and reach for the fluoro and see what a difference that can make. The long and light approach is well proven from the shore, its as relevant from the boat too on occasion I believe from what I've seen. The deeper you fish though, I suppose the merits would be somewhat diluted, however, just from a presentation POV I would continue to use it.
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#9 Post by Liamo »

Hi,

I couldn't say whether it makes any great difference from the beach but I do use it all the time.

I can tell you I've watched loads and loads of mullet over the past couple of years turn their nose up at mono but have been fooled by fluoro time and time again. It definitely spooks them less so I can only assume it's less visible to them - I'm convinced.

Whether general sea fish are this line shy is another question, maybe not but as petekd said being much stiffer it does offer other presentation advantages also.

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#10 Post by EricH »

I bought a spool of berkley Vanish, it doesnt seem that stiff . . .i'm guessing this isnt the best of flurocarbon based on that ???

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#11 Post by paulocallaghan »

vanish is crap....... stay clear of it..... the stuff is very brittle
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paulocallaghan wrote:vanish is crap....... stay clear of it..... the stuff is very brittle


I found that too. Any other suggestions for decent brands to try? Anyone know what the veals own brand is like?
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#13 Post by eric »

vanish isnt the best, i like the new stren one in coral sand colour, works very well, use for all my rig bodies on scratching rigs
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#14 Post by paulocallaghan »

i use seaguar carbon pro. prob better options avail but this was the 1st 1 i was happy wit
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#15 Post by jw »

thanks for the replies

maybe ive watched too many episodes of mythbusters or something :lol:

even in light strains, it seems no less visible than clear mono in water,
which is what it is usually marketed for

pete, i rememebr a report you wrote recently where the snoods were 8lb i think
and i was wondering how the hell does that not end up in a big tangle? fluorocarbon?
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#16 Post by Rockhopper »

" fluorocarbon line " its good at catching anglers though :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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#17 Post by petekd »

pete, i rememebr a report you wrote recently where the snoods were 8lb i think
and i was wondering how the hell does that not end up in a big tangle? fluorocarbon?


It was indeed John, you couldn't even contemplate using mono on long light snoods like that, asking for disaster!

In relation to the comments on Berkely Vanish, in the lower BSs it is not great at all. However, I have a spool of 38Lb Berkely stuff, its the stuff thats gold out of the water and clear under it.... Its fantastic stuff. I've used it for all sorts without any issues whatsoever over the past year or two (It was a 450m spool). I tried a spool of 20lb berkely though and its cack. Far too brittle and prone to breaking. The seaguar stuff is top notch though.
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#18 Post by MAC »

Having tried nearly all the brands out there in various breaking strains for Boat, Shore, River and Lake fishing, I can honestly say that seaguar is the better of them, especially for sea angling.. The manufacturer Khuera (I think) is the only fluro carbon company in the world that makes their own resin. They also have over 40 Patents with regard to fluro carbon manufacturing.

Oh,,, Second Pete on the Berkley stuff.... Total Kak under 25lb B/S.

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#19 Post by EricH »

Ok, anyone wanna buy a 250m spool of 20lb Berkley Vanish . . . . :oops:
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#20 Post by teacher »

Is there any difference between the older Berkeley Vanish and the new "improved" Berkeley Trilene Fluorocarbon??
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