Multiplier- Birds nests and how to prevent them.

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Conor P · #1 Post by **Conor P** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:17 pm

Hi i am getting a new multiplier and heard of deadly birds nests.

How can i prevent them?

What is the point of magnet brakes?

#2 Post by **alannelson** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:36 pm

Conor P wrote:Hi i am getting a new multiplier and heard of deadly birds nests.

How can i prevent them?

What is the point of magnet brakes?

You must be catching the fishing bug Conor. Just take it easy if your buying a multiplier make sure its a good 1 £70 should be enuff starting out learning put heaver mono on 25 OR 30. I would only half full the reel till you get used to it gently thum the spool just before your lead hits the water should prevent a birdsnest but you will get a few starting out a multiplier is lighter and sits nicer on a rod

mag brakes stop the spool from spinning to quickly mid cast preventing a birdy have fun :lol: :lol: :lol:

Conor P · #3 Post by **Conor P** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:08 pm

Cheers, thanks for the help! I will probably be getting the Mag Elite at this rate.

#4 Post by **alannelson** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:14 pm

Conor P wrote:Cheers, thanks for the help! I will probably be getting the Mag Elite at this rate.

Thats your best bet close 2nd would be a 7ht. :lol:

Conor P · #5 Post by **Conor P** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:53 pm

Yes they are both quite even.

mason jnr · #6 Post by **mason jnr** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:43 pm

i would advise you to get a good fixed spool conor . i would steer clear of multipliers all together :wink:

Conor P · #7 Post by **Conor P** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:47 am

mason jnr wrote:i would advise you to get a good fixed spool conor . i would steer clear of multipliers all together :wink:

You are too much like my dad.
He birdied his multi too much.

I have gone and got an Abu Mag elite.

when I use a fixed spool I always forget the baile arm. And it hurts my finger to cast>.<

mason jnr · #8 Post by **mason jnr** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:19 pm

ive never birdied a multiplier and thats because i never use them. . . . . . i just dont see the advantage in using one. if you find ur hurting your finger when casting try using a protective glove such as a gardening glove

#9 Post by **EoinMag** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:56 pm

When someone asks for advice on a multiplier, the best response is not to tell them to go with fixed spool.
This young man has spent a while researching what he wants and is getting his first multi, so that's what he has, and he's already made that choice.
You should try a multi somtime, it adds something new to the whole fishing experience, and some people prefer them.

paulocallaghan · #10 Post by **paulocallaghan** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:36 pm

EoinMag wrote:When someone asks for advice on a multiplier, the best response is not to tell them to go with fixed spool.
This young man has spent a while researching what he wants and is getting his first multi, so that's what he has, and he's already made that choice.
You should try a multi somtime, it adds something new to the whole fishing experience, and some people prefer them.

i have to disagree with you to a degree eoin im afraid.

from the way i look at it, the fella is only 11.... he says that he sometimes forgets to open the bail arm on fixed spool (how can he manage a multi where control of the spool becomes so important) and he gets hurt while casting f/s.

no offence conor, but considering these factors i would take my time before rushing into buying a multi and ensure that you develop your casting ability on a fixed spool first, as its much easier to handle. if you get a good fixed spool set up you can easily out cast a novice multi user.
i use both fixed and multi and on a session with head winds and darkness i prefer the fixed spool.

i myself rushed into the multis........ "if all the rest of the lads on the beach have them, so must i....." and to be honest i think i can cast better with a fixed spool than the multis (i use both abu 6500 and daiwa 7ht)

just my opinion......... if you do decide to opt for the multi, i wish you the best of luck with it

rgds

Paul

#11 Post by **EoinMag** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:49 pm

It's already wrapped under Conors tree as far as I can see Paul.

#12 Post by **petekd** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:54 pm

Ah the good old Multi v Mangle debate... :D Only advice I'll offer is stick with it Conor, keep practising away and you WILL get the hang of it. FS reels are great and I use them an awful lot but I can't give up my multis. I see an awful lot of people try them and can't get to grips with them straight away and reach for the FS again. Stick with it and it will come. Just keep things smooth and use your brakes and you'll be fine. Nothing wrong with FS reels either but once you get the hang of the multi, they are a sheer joy to use.

#13 Post by **EoinMag** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:18 pm

petekd wrote:Ah the good old Multi v Mangle debate... :D Only advice I'll offer is stick with it Conor, keep practising away and you WILL get the hang of it. FS reels are great and I use them an awful lot but I can't give up my multis. I see an awful lot of people try them and can't get to grips with them straight away and reach for the FS again. Stick with it and it will come. Just keep things smooth and use your brakes and you'll be fine. Nothing wrong with FS reels either but once you get the hang of the multi, they are a sheer joy to use.

Agreed, I also think that Conor is not one to run into something blind and he's getting a lot of good advice on how to go with his multiplier.
He's not starting blind and having done the same myself all I can say is that they're not that hard to learn, or use.
I've learned it with no help apart from forums and all I need to work on now is my casting.
Not that hard.

teacher · #14 Post by **teacher** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:19 pm

Conor, I started casting with a multipler at about your age (an Abu six, I think, it was a long time ago). You might have some birdies but it's like lots of other things, practice and you'll get the hang of it. Especially with a few pointers from experienced casters.

Ignore the multi vs FS debate. Remember, you're not using a multiplier to catch more fish, you're using one because you want to.

Conor P · #15 Post by **Conor P** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:28 pm

EoinMag wrote:It's already wrapped under Conors tree as far as I can see Paul.

You are quite right, wrapped up in Simpsons wrapping paper :)

*build up music like you hear in the cinema when people are about to believe in themselves*

I know I can do it!

I will start off with about 100Yds of line on my reel so if I birdie it won't be too much of a problem.

teacher · #16 Post by **teacher** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:34 pm

Conor P wrote:I will start off with about 100Yds of line on my reel so if I birdie it won't be too much of a problem.

You might be better putting some old backing line on the reel then building it up to the top of the spool with 100yds of good line.

The more serious casters might be able to confirm if this is the case, but I always thought that the spool would spin faster with less line it (smaller diameter), making birdies more likely. I might be mistaken ...

Conor P · #17 Post by **Conor P** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:57 pm

teacher wrote:
Conor P wrote:I will start off with about 100Yds of line on my reel so if I birdie it won't be too much of a problem.

You might be better putting some old backing line on the reel then building it up to the top of the spool with 100yds of good line.

good Idea, I'll use my old boat line.

#18 Post by **EoinMag** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:24 pm

Conor P wrote:
teacher wrote:
Conor P wrote:I will start off with about 100Yds of line on my reel so if I birdie it won't be too much of a problem.

You might be better putting some old backing line on the reel then building it up to the top of the spool with 100yds of good line.

good Idea, I'll use my old boat line.

Another idea Conor is to use string to fill the spool out a bit then tape it up with electrical tape and then put your line on top of that, that's if you're not worried about backing that you can actually use.

#19 Post by **petekd** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:37 pm

You might be better putting some old backing line on the reel then building it up to the top of the spool with 100yds of good line.

The more serious casters might be able to confirm if this is the case, but I always thought that the spool would spin faster with less line it (smaller diameter), making birdies more likely. I might be mistaken ...

Jonathan, in fact the opposite effect is achieved, when the line level is low, its much easier, for want of a better expression, for the lead to keep ahead of the line and prevent a birds nest ensuing. Birds nest ensue when the spool is rotating faster than the line is being carried off the reel. 1 revolution of the spool filled with line may be equivalent to 4 or 5 when the line level is very low so if a cast kicks the reel into say, for arguments sake, 100 rpm, a high line level means much more of the line is being thrown off the spool than a low line level at the same rpm. Thats why newcomers to multis are advised to keep their line level a few mm from the top of the spool.

#20 Post by **stevecrow74** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:53 pm

petekd wrote:Thats why newcomers to multis are advised to keep their line level a few mm from the top of the spool.

yeah, i prefer to keep the spool topped up.. the lower the line is on the spool the more birdies i seem to achieve..

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