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Stan wrote:Bass in the UK seem to have a different pattern to Irish Bass. There seems to be quite a bit of migration between France and England.
Huge shoals of fish can be found off the south coast of England and also in parts of France, such as le Harve, at certain times of the year.
On the other hand our Bass seem to be localised and do not seem to migrate. Thus if they are heavily fished they disappear quickly. Some older anglers will remember days around the south coast of Ireland in the 60's and 70's when Bass were very plentiful. Once they had commercial value and the commercial fishermen got at them they disappeared overnight. It was only when the commercial ban came back that they recovered and even then it took years. I remember years in the 80's and early 90's when a Bass was a sight to behold.
There should be NO SUPPORT for any type of commercial fishing for Bass here. One year of placing commercial fishing could wipe out the last few years of recovery.
Every rod caught Bass if worth far more than one caught in a commercially.
There should be no comparison between the Bass fisheries in the UK and here. We generally do not have huge shoals of migratory fish. Once Irish commercial fishermen target an area then it can be taken that the Bass will be lost and will not return. I have personally witnessed the destruction that commercial fishing can cause and hope that I never see it again.
By the way I very much doubt that there is any proof of a Bass in Ireland turning up in France. Is there any proof of this statement?
Well said, i think most anglers would be in full agreement with you.
fisher of bass wrote:its all ahead of us starting in the summer on hook and line' 2; 7meter boats as far as i know the owners were in the uk to see how is done.. Bim are backing them its all to do with international quota trading
Heard this last year aswell ! , is there any official proof that this is going ahead and in what area ?
fisher of Bass wrote:its all ahead of us starting in the summer on hook and line' 2; 7meter boats as far as i know the owners were in the uk to see how is done.. Bim are backing them its all to do with international quota trading
Heard this last year aswell ! , is there any official proof that this is going ahead and in what area ?[/quote]
This is not true.
How could BIM ( a government body) experiment with something that illegal?
There is times when certain trail fisheries can be set up for information and scientific purposes by the use of a special derogation.
There is no such derogation for bass.
UP THE DEISE!!!!!!!
If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation.
fisher of Bass wrote:its all ahead of us starting in the summer on hook and line' 2; 7meter boats as far as i know the owners were in the uk to see how is done.. Bim are backing them its all to do with international quota trading
Heard this last year aswell ! , is there any official proof that this is going ahead and in what area ?
This is not true.
How could BIM ( a government body) experiment with something that illegal?
There is times when certain trail fisheries can be set up for information and scientific purposes by the use of a special derogation.
There is no such derogation for Bass.[/quote]
area viij2,the sfpa,bim,ifi and the iswfp had a big meet in clonakity last week it will go a head on first week of july its been kept on the qt,it will be centrally controlled by the sfpa for 4 weeks,,i would be happy to be proved wrong,simon coveney is working with the fishermen on this one its all to do with the fishing communities around our coast,
fisher of Bass wrote:its all ahead of us starting in the summer on hook and line' 2; 7meter boats as far as i know the owners were in the uk to see how is done.. Bim are backing them its all to do with international quota trading
Heard this last year aswell ! , is there any official proof that this is going ahead and in what area ?
This is not true.
How could BIM ( a government body) experiment with something that illegal?
There is times when certain trail fisheries can be set up for information and scientific purposes by the use of a special derogation.
There is no such derogation for Bass.
area viij2,the sfpa,bim,ifi and the iswfp had a big meet in clonakity last week it will go a head on first week of july its been kept on the qt,it will be centrally controlled by the sfpa for 4 weeks,,i would be happy to be proved wrong,simon coveney is working with the fishermen on this one its all to do with the fishing communities around our coast,[/quote]
This is Bad news if correct, and IMO its a big first step on the Commercial Ladder.
We can say goodbye to bass angling if this goes ahead. What a pity!!
I would imagine that bass angling is worth a lot to the country. With proper management it could be worth a fortune. But hey when did our politicians manage anything properly!!!!
It might be worth while for some of the Cork anglers to approach Simon Coveny to see if these allegations are true.
roger de dodger wrote:i do agree it is the most envoiromently freindly form of fishing commercially for any spieces bar rod and line
errr, those fish were caught by rod and line, roger.
nope they are caught on long lines with hundreds of hooks ,thats line caught bass as apposed to net caught also they catch alot of other fish that go back alive in most cases
roger de dodger wrote:i do agree it is the most envoiromently freindly form of fishing commercially for any spieces bar rod and line
errr, those fish were caught by rod and line, roger.
nope they are caught on long lines with hundreds of hooks ,thats line caught Bass as apposed to net caught also they catch alot of other fish that go back alive in most cases
I have sent the following email to Simon Coveney. Maybe this will clarify matters.
Dear Mr Coveney,
Rumour has it on one of the angling websites that there was a meeting in Clonakilty of the various fisheries bodies allowing some commercial fishing for bass.
I enclose some quotes from this website below.
I find this hard to believe but would welcome news from your department as to whether this is true or not.
Yours faithfully,
Stan Ryan
Its all ahead of us starting in the summer on hook and line' 2; 7meter boats as far as i know the owners were in the uk to see how is done.. Bim are backing them its all to do with international quota trading
Heard this last year aswell ! , is there any official proof that this is going ahead and in what area ?[/quote]
This is not true.
How could BIM ( a government body) experiment with something that illegal?
There is times when certain trail fisheries can be set up for information and scientific purposes by the use of a special derogation.
There is no such derogation for Bass.[/quote]
area viij2,the sfpa,bim,ifi and the iswfp had a big meet in clonakity last week it will go a head on first week of july its been kept on the qt,it will be centrally controlled by the sfpa for 4 weeks,,i would be happy to be proved wrong,simon coveney is working with the fishermen on this one its all to do with the fishing communities around our coast,
No reply from Minister Coveney yet. I would suggest that as many anglers as possible write to him ASAP. Put the pressure on and make our voices felt!!!
He may ignore 1 email but if enough of us are interested enough to email him we may get some reaction.
Stan wrote:No reply from Minister Coveney yet. I would suggest that as many anglers as possible write to him ASAP. Put the pressure on and make our voices felt!!!
He may ignore 1 email but if enough of us are interested enough to email him we may get some reaction.
Please pass this on.
this is going ahead unfortunately
emails and letters have no effect. an affidavid outlining all details as you understand them is the only way as it must be rebutted or agreed with and if ignored then a tacit agreement is in place and proceedings can be brought in accordance with the law.
all politicians are short term thinkers so dont ever expect anything else.
captain AHAB wrote:
this is going ahead unfortunately
Source?
i personally know quite a few inshore fishermen targetting shrimp, razor, crab and lobster have been organizing gear in the knowledge that this is going ahead and they tell me they have assurances from the ministers office that after the trial period itll be all systems go.
Still too much hearsay for me. A trial period would surely be against the law and surely the law would have to be changed. Is there any precedent for something like that?
Could we have a trial period of hash smoking or drug taking?
JimC wrote:Still too much hearsay for me. A trial period would surely be against the law and surely the law would have to be changed. Is there any precedent for something like that?
Could we have a trial period of hash smoking or drug taking?
Only if you land them right?
trial period could be C+R to assess feasibility....
I really hope this does not start, and that as many clubs and anglers in the areas can stand up and be counted in their opposition to it. I know just how hard it can be to locate bass in any numbers here in the north, and the angling system that has been in place in the republic for years has worked well to aid recovery of bass stocks, commercial rod and line fishing for them could undo a lot of the good work.
Maybe some of the Munster guys could get your conservation officer on the case to find out more, or the IFSA conservation officer Martin Howlin?
Not the BigPhil from Irish Angler mag, I'm the original, i swear!!!!
Big Phil, seems like nobody else is willing to contact Simon Coveney. Anglers' strength is in numbers. The more of us that write to him the better. He has just ignored my email. If every angler writes to him we may get a response. If I am the only one then I will be classified as unimportant or a looney. Maybe I'm both!!!
Have to say that I am disillusioned. I though that this man was genuine listening to him on the radio and TV. He seemed like a nice guy. I voted for FG . Has he not even got the courtesy to answer an email. Looks like I've been conned again!!! Quote " we will hit the ground running"..... wonder are they running backwards??
I still think that if enough anglers write to him that he will have to respond eventually.
its all to do with international quota trading
