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Latest posts from “Sea Angling Ireland” board. Latest posts from “Sea Angling Ireland” board. http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/index.php Wed, 16 May 2012 13:25:47 +0100 John D Thu, 17 May 2012 13:32:20 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309368#p309368 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309368#p309368 Bass discussed in Dail Eireann - May 14th 2012 Monday, May 14, 2012
Dail Eireann Debate May 10th 2012
Thursday, 10 May 2012

Dáil Éireann Debate

Vol. 764 No. 5

Unrevised

6. Deputy Mick Wallace asked the Minister for Agriculture; Food and the Marine Information on Simon Coveney if he will undertake new research to determine the stock levels of sea Bass in Irish waters with a view to looking at the feasibility of allowing small boats to fish for sea Bass for even a defined period of the year; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23330/12]

Deputy Simon Coveney: This is a particulary sensitive issue. Irish vessels are currently precluded from landing sea Bass under the Bass (Conservation of Stocks) Regulations 2006, S.I. No. 230 of 2006, and the Bass (Restriction on Sale) Regulations 2007, S.I. No. 367 of 2007. The complete ban for the commercial fishing of sea Bass applies to Irish fishing vessels in all areas. These regulations were introduced as a co-ordinated set of measures with the sea Bass fishing conservation by-laws. The by-laws imposes a bag limit on anglers of two Bass in any one period of 24 hours and a ban on angling for Bass during the spawning season, from 15 May to 15 June in any given year.

These measures have been in place since 1990 and were introduced arising from the dramatic decline of sea Bass stocks in the 1970s. Bass in Irish waters are a slow growing fish and, at a recruitment age of roughly five years, are late maturing fish. The distribution of Bass around Europe is found mainly in southern waters, including the inshore waters of the south west of England and the English Channel. It is farmed extensively in Mediterranean waters.

The Marine Institute carried out an annual Bass survey between the years 1996 and 2007. This survey validates previous research on the species and indicates that the stock of Bass in Ireland’s inshore waters remains greatly depleted since the 1960s and 1970s. In Irish waters, the available scientific advice is that the sea Bass stock appears depleted and should be allowed to rebuild. The evidence suggests that sea Bass in Irish waters do not exhibit the same strong recruitments as recorded closer to continental Europe and the species abundance remains depressed.

Studies conducted in the 1970s in Ireland when commercial netting was permitted by smaller boats found that the majority of net caught fish were immature. The shoaling nature of these immature fish close to shore coupled with the dependence on a good year class means that the sustainability of the stock can be disproportionately depleted by inshore netting when compared to other commercial species.

Additional information not given on the floor of the House

Studies submitted to my Department argue that the value to the economy of a Bass caught by an angler and which is returned alive is many multiples of its value to the commercial sector and I am aware of a number of businesses, such as fishing guides, hotels and guest accommodation in the south, which are reliant on this Bass tourism. I understand that Inland Fisheries Ireland, IFI, is currently undertaking a socioeconomic survey of recreational angling in Ireland. The overall objective of the survey is to establish the current volume and value of domestic and overseas recreational angling in Ireland. It will run over the course of 2012.

From a scientific perspective, our knowledge on the biology and stock dynamics of sea Bass in Irish waters is poor. There is a need for new research in this area. Following recent discussions, the Marine Institute and Inland Fisheries Ireland are considering developing a research programme to deepen our understanding of sea Bass. This will inform future discussion on policy and management of the resource.

Deputy Mick Wallace: It is clearly very important to protect the angling sector of the industry. There are huge benefits for the economy from angling. However, I get the impression that much of the research that has been carried out appears to have been carried out by the anglers. Since the regulations were introduced, Irish boats have not been allowed to fish off the coast, but things do not appear to have changed a great deal. Are the rules in place benefiting the stock? One would imagine that with less fish being caught the stock would be higher. The French and British boats are still allowed to fish-----

Deputy Simon Coveney: It is much further out at sea.

Deputy Mick Wallace: Yes, it is past the 50 km mark. Given that they are allowed fish there, do we know that letting small boats fish off the coast, even for a short period of the year, would definitely impact on the angling industry?

Deputy Simon Coveney: These are fair questions. We are trying to take a cautious approach towards this stock because it is very vulnerable. If we start catching them commercially again, we could do huge damage and they would take a very long time to recover. They do not grow quickly, unlike other stock that can recover quickly. It is not just the inshore fishermen and the smaller boats that are concerned about this. I have been asked about this by the owners of bigger boats also, who are actually discarding large volumes of Bass which they catch while trying to catch other fish. They say it is crazy because they must dump dead fish over the side of the boat, and ask if they can be allowed to bring in a small quota. The danger with that is that if one agrees to allow a certain quota of fish to be caught, one sends a signal that it is okay to start catching Bass commercially again. One is then into a quota management situation for a very delicate stock. I would be slow to do that.

We must make decisions on the basis of science and information. We are currently in discussions with the Marine Institute on ways in which we could conduct scientific research on the Bass stock. I am very protective of this stock. First, it is very valuable. Second, it is very important for both angling and tourism. That is not to say it could not be very important for commercial fisheries as well, but I would require convincing before changing the current approach towards banning the commercial netting of Bass given that it is such a delicate species.

Deputy Mick Wallace: While I obviously do not agree with overfishing, could more research be carried out to ascertain the best thing is being done?

On a different point in respect of angling, I was contacted by a person from Wexford, Mr. Ashley Hayden, who maintained that the angling industry in Ireland is worth approximately €100 million. He reckons south-east Ireland potentially has a world-class angling product but that it is poorly developed and marketed, with the result that only 5% of Irish tourist anglers stop in the south east and generally only do so for a single bed night. Mr. Hayden personally visited a major angling association in south Wales with a membership of 3,000 and over the past six months, has managed to get 300 people from this association to come to the south-east region of Ireland for a week. As they spent an average of €1,000 per head, he reckons doing this has brought approximately €300,000 into the local economy. He thinks a professional should be appointed in the south-east region to promote angling and to further develop what he did himself.]]> Eoghan Thu, 17 May 2012 12:41:22 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309366#p309366 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309366#p309366 Re: Has anybody every seen these before?? ]]> Viper Thu, 17 May 2012 12:06:29 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309365#p309365 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309365#p309365 Re: Open Workshop for fisheries awareness week tomgrey Thu, 17 May 2012 12:03:55 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309364#p309364 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309364#p309364 Re: Mullet doing me head in razor2 wrote:

watch out mud sucker :roll:

like that!]]> paddyc Thu, 17 May 2012 10:14:25 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=309362#p309362 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=309362#p309362 27th May/2nd round club champs I hope to see you all there...]]> paddyc Thu, 17 May 2012 10:06:42 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=309361#p309361 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=25&p=309361#p309361 Re: irish team for the worlds 2012 in greece IMPORTANT!
Entey is now closed. Names of the Team or Individuals attending will be announced shortly...

Paddy.]]> Ric0shay Thu, 17 May 2012 09:30:47 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309360#p309360 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309360#p309360 Re: Soft plastics
Best of luck]]> Dicenintra Thu, 17 May 2012 09:29:48 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309359#p309359 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309359#p309359 Re: Draft Bass policy - May 2012
The legislation section 7 IFI act 2010 setting up the IFI gives it responsibility for sea angling and Bass is not mentioned. So it has no specific role in Bass management any more that cod or dab management, which is a pity.

Sorry I cant participate but I'm always available by PM.

Think about getting Coveney to adopt the policy though.]]> smurfy Thu, 17 May 2012 00:51:17 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309355#p309355 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309355#p309355 Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ? smurfy Thu, 17 May 2012 00:50:35 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309354#p309354 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309354#p309354 Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ? tomgrey Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:04 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309352#p309352 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309352#p309352 Re: Soft plastics MAC Wed, 16 May 2012 23:54:33 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309351#p309351 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309351#p309351 Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ? The method itself takes some practice to slide the bait out but with practice you should be able to put a bait as far as you can cast....

With that comes the problems... In South Africa and Mozambique the tide flows on the shores are almost nil. There are small fluctuations in HW and LW so there is a significant reduction of drag on the lead. Even with this the guys use 8oz and 9oz leads to slide the bait out. Given they are sliding whole Bonito or even bigger baits, but I have seen 9oz used for sliding whole Mackerel in a heavy surf.

I think in Ireland you will need to use fixed grip leads or try to get a hold of some 8oz or 9oz grip leads... at the very least 7oz fixed grip leads would be the minimum to try this method. Even then, don't be surprised if the lead is moving on you. Try it during neap tides and go from there. Make sure there is no weed as it will also trip and move the lead. For Tope use the sliding clip with the weight as this will help greatly when sliding the bait out, especially with a lighter half Mackerel bait. Make sure you use a 8/0 short shank style hook minimum to help keep dogs from hooking themselves up and ruining all your hard work.

Let us know how you get on! and any more questions, fire away.

Kev]]> Davy Murdoch Wed, 16 May 2012 22:37:09 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309348#p309348 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309348#p309348 Re: Mullet doing me head in I use carp controller floats myself and i`ve actually made my own which work just as good

The only thing i would do different from most of these guys is use a larger hook..
I use a size 6 Owner pint hook with a piece of bread the size of an old 50p coin.I know people who use size 14-16 trebles..
Personally i think the larger hook has a better chance of a getting a hook hold when you strike.

Good luck and make sure you set the drag and enjoy the fight :wink:

]]> Martin Mc Gowan Wed, 16 May 2012 20:53:29 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309342#p309342 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309342#p309342 Re: Bait http://www.facebook.com/PeelerCrab?noti ... fan_invite
10 Euro for 12 crab and they can deliver, good value....just starting of I think]]> Preston Wed, 16 May 2012 20:05:48 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309340#p309340 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309340#p309340 Re: Mullet doing me head in cod chaser Wed, 16 May 2012 19:49:07 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309339#p309339 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309339#p309339 Soft plastics razor2 Wed, 16 May 2012 19:38:22 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309338#p309338 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309338#p309338 Re: Bass Legislation Signage baitdigger wrote:

razor2 wrote:

Ballycotton to Roches point East Cork signs everywhere

so that would come under South Western Region?

Yep]]> razor2 Wed, 16 May 2012 19:34:12 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309337#p309337 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309337#p309337 Re: Mullet doing me head in ]]> saving private brian Wed, 16 May 2012 18:12:37 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309336#p309336 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309336#p309336 Re: Bass Legislation Signage :mrgreen:

]]> tomgrey Wed, 16 May 2012 17:57:12 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309333#p309333 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309333#p309333 Re: Mullet doing me head in Tanglerat Wed, 16 May 2012 17:50:24 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309332#p309332 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309332#p309332 Re: Mullet doing me head in
Try a dubby mix of fish carcases, guts, blood & flesh in a sprout bag. Use a hookbait of slivers of mackeral without any skin. Bo ready to strike at an instant - crouching leopard, coiled spring kinda stylee.

Mullet, sometimes I swear to God they break your heart and wreck your head, other times they'll surprise you with what they'll take. Had one on a Petrer Ross wetfly once, that had been dragged through the green slime they were feeding on. Dunno who was the more surprised, me or the the fish.

There's a few lads on here who are really switched onto mullet. Wait and see what they advise.]]> kiello Wed, 16 May 2012 17:39:26 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309331#p309331 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309331#p309331 Re: tides for wexford july 2012 masterbaiter Wed, 16 May 2012 17:32:01 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309330#p309330 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=309330#p309330 Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ? masterbaiter Wed, 16 May 2012 17:28:03 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=309329#p309329 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=309329#p309329 Re: Fleabay! roger de dodger Wed, 16 May 2012 17:23:45 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309327#p309327 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309327#p309327 Re: fixed spool for scratchin ]]> JohnQ Wed, 16 May 2012 17:14:04 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309326#p309326 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309326#p309326 Re: Draft Bass policy - May 2012 Your points are very valid. Because the legislation is held by DAFM any changes to it do have to be made by them. At the present time Simon Coveney supports the current legislation and seems sympathetic to our cause.
As regards parlimentary questions, those asked so far (I've had a few asked myself) refer to changes in the legislation. DCENR is responsible, through the IFI for Bass legislation enforcement and promotion. This is where Bass differ from other marine fish where the IFI do not have the same responsibility for enforcement. The SFPA also have responsibility for Bass but their primary focus is the compliance of the commercial fishing industry to EU fishery legislation.

Given you indepth knowledge of angling matters would you concider joining the IFI forum. I could really do with your help and support especially with the Bass policy.]]> tight lines Wed, 16 May 2012 17:04:42 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309325#p309325 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309325#p309325 Re: tides for wexford july 2012 tight lines Wed, 16 May 2012 16:56:11 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309323#p309323 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309323#p309323 Re: Mullet doing me head in second i try and use the smallest bit of bread just enough to cover the hook this way the smallest of bites still tend to get the bread sucked in also what lenght is your hook from the float i would have it at least 2 foot away because they dont like to feel any resecestince when having a go at the bait plus never have your main line to slack this way when you do get a good take you can get a much better strike on the fish rather that lifting a load of slack first hope this helps a bit let us know how you go

best of luck
ALAN]]> JimC Wed, 16 May 2012 16:17:13 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309321#p309321 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309321#p309321 Re: Bass Legislation Signage ]]> baitdigger Wed, 16 May 2012 15:40:48 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309314#p309314 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309314#p309314 Re: Bass Legislation Signage JimC wrote:

If it is Clare you are on about best to contact the Shannon board.

I have Jim, sent open emails to Limerick and to Amanda no reply so far, I just wanted to get an idea what has happened around the rest of the country and regions and if the Shannon region has any signage anywhere.]]> Tanglerat Wed, 16 May 2012 15:39:48 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309313#p309313 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309313#p309313 Re: Mullet doing me head in ]]> JimC Wed, 16 May 2012 15:35:32 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309311#p309311 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309311#p309311 Re: Bass Legislation Signage tomgrey Wed, 16 May 2012 15:25:56 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309310#p309310 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309310#p309310 Re: Bait bhoy32 wrote:

im based in east cork and can supply fresh or frozen crab €10 a dozen

Didn't realise you are doing the crab frozen now john. Good stuff, might give you a bell soon so...]]> baitdigger Wed, 16 May 2012 15:18:47 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309309#p309309 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309309#p309309 Re: Bass Legislation Signage razor2 wrote:

Ballycotton to Roches point East Cork signs everywhere

so that would come under South Western Region?]]> razor2 Wed, 16 May 2012 15:07:49 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309308#p309308 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309308#p309308 Mullet doing me head in into to the mouth hitting it with the nose bunches of them around the bread.Jesus christ come on whats the story ,is the same for everyone .im taking it, nah im not taking it :evil:

This what im using if anyone one can add more to the madness go ahead .Everyones comments welcome better to get it right now its only been two days and they driving me mad :roll:

]]> razor2 Wed, 16 May 2012 14:51:17 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309306#p309306 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309306#p309306 Re: Bass Legislation Signage baitdigger Wed, 16 May 2012 14:29:39 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309303#p309303 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309303#p309303 Bass Legislation Signage I know however these signs have gone up in certain parts of the country and I would just like to build up a picture for myself of areas that are covered by the signs and areas that are not.
If you have seen one of these signs can you let me know where and what county

Thanks

]]> Dicenintra Wed, 16 May 2012 14:18:49 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309301#p309301 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=309301#p309301 Re: Draft Bass policy - May 2012 JohnQ wrote:

Dicenintra wrote:

The report is a great start, but I think there is a glaring gap. The Minister for agriculture is the ministry with legal responsibility for Bass so the report is nothing more than an aspiration. The Dept Agriculture are the ones who make the rules and regulations concerning Bass and they need to be involved in the report and sign of on it as a strategy for a stock which THEY manage if it is to have any power, otherwise it can be pretty much ignored.

Its true that the Dept of Agriculture holds the Bass legislation. The do however have limited responsibility for the management of the stock. The IFI, Marine Institute, Failte Ireland and the SFPA all have responsibility for Bass management so management is actually divided between two departments.
The IFI is responsible to the Department of DCENR and the Marine Institute is part of the Dept of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries. This is why both needed to be involved in the policy. Had the MI not been involved then your point would be a valid one.
The trout and pike policy groups did not have that complication as the Dept of DCENR is primarly responsible for their management.
Hope this clarifys things.

Trust me I know this stuff inside out, The decision to allow commercial angling for Bass is solely a decision for the Minister for Agriculture, no other Department has a mandate. They may be consulted but they have no power or veto. The MI is a science organisation they have no role in deciding policy, only providing scientific advice. Look at any of the dail questions on Bass, DCENR will never answer a Bass PQ, its always DAFM.

The IFI has a mandate to promote, support, facilitate and advise the Minister on the conservation, protection, management, marketing, development and improvement of inland fisheries, including sea angling, Bass are not specifically mentioned so the DCENR has no specific role for Bass just sea fish generally. In the same way MAFF is responsible for mackerel cod or boarfish its role is to facilitate commercial interest Bass is no different. Thats why I think if you can get Minister Coveney to agree to the policy then it is a huge protection for angling interests.]]> bhoy32 Wed, 16 May 2012 14:09:01 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309300#p309300 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309300#p309300 Re: Bait roryodonnell Wed, 16 May 2012 13:25:47 +0100 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309296#p309296 http://sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=309296#p309296 Re: Bait Preston wrote:

A euro a crab in tackle shops and sandeels are bout four euro a pack

I see EastCoastTackle are selling them for 1.25, which is a shame.]]>